FL goes by the 3 step rule... as long as it takes 3 steps to ready the weapon to fire, its not concealed (in a vehicle that is)... so opening the glove box, unsnapping the holster and disengaging the safety is 3 steps, at least the LEOs that i knew told it that way... though i would still reccomend that he get his CCW as im sure the laws have changed since i lived there... if hes a central fl guy, the central florida gun club is a great place to go shoot...
Help my boss pick out a "car gun"
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Car/truck guns should include a rifle given the craziness that occurs.
I suggest lower end rifles in case the vehicle is stolen, but that's up to him. Some sort of security box welded/attached to the frame might be a good idea.
SKS
Lever action rifle (30-30 or 35 whelen to get a true rifle round. Others will opt for 357 magnum, 45 Colt, or 44 Magnum).
Mosin-Nagant
AK-47
I whole heartedly endorse a sub-$500 AK-47 for this role. But, a levergun would do well if he trained with it. Even a bolt action Mosin would work with some training (at $80, it's certainly replaceable).
Alternatively, a slug shotgun would be good too, since you can get 100-125 yards out of it.
I'd then go with a solid handgun that matches his primary carry/house gun. Magazine interchangeability is a good thing, and allows one to arm a friend if needed.
Aimsurplus.com and summitgunbroker.com have a variety of pistols available at reasonable rates. A pair of CZ-82's at $210 each (with 12+1 rounds of 9x18mm) might be a good start. Summitgunbroker.com has good deals on used Glocks too.
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Sooooo....
A newbie is too clueless to handle a Glock, but can handle a revolver just fine?
If you have such a low opinion of someone, why did you let him borrow some guns?
I suggest lower end rifles in case the vehicle is stolen, but that's up to him. Some sort of security box welded/attached to the frame might be a good idea.
SKS
Lever action rifle (30-30 or 35 whelen to get a true rifle round. Others will opt for 357 magnum, 45 Colt, or 44 Magnum).
Mosin-Nagant
AK-47
I whole heartedly endorse a sub-$500 AK-47 for this role. But, a levergun would do well if he trained with it. Even a bolt action Mosin would work with some training (at $80, it's certainly replaceable).
Alternatively, a slug shotgun would be good too, since you can get 100-125 yards out of it.
I'd then go with a solid handgun that matches his primary carry/house gun. Magazine interchangeability is a good thing, and allows one to arm a friend if needed.
Aimsurplus.com and summitgunbroker.com have a variety of pistols available at reasonable rates. A pair of CZ-82's at $210 each (with 12+1 rounds of 9x18mm) might be a good start. Summitgunbroker.com has good deals on used Glocks too.
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Sooooo....
A newbie is too clueless to handle a Glock, but can handle a revolver just fine?
If you have such a low opinion of someone, why did you let him borrow some guns?
Any from the list below would be a good choice.
Colt .45ACP Officers lightweight or Commander lightweight or a decent made copy or clone.
Sig 229 226 or in .45ACP 220 or Sig's polymer series.
Glock 17 22 19 23 or 30, just get rid of the factory plastic sights with a good set of tritiums such as Heinie or AO/XS with the small dot front sight.
CZ-P01 or CZ-75 IMI Baby Eagle or EAA clones if on a budget.
H&K USP Compact or P2000
Browning P-35 9mm or .40 S & W
FNs new Polymer pistol from what I have seen and handled is not bad at all.
S&W M&P or one of the older DA/SA third generation pistols many good deals on used ones out there allot of them have been traded in.
Springfield XD for those who like striker fired polymer pistols but not the ergonomics of the Glock.
Smith & Wesson .357 K frame model 13 or 65 3" or 4" barrel or a model 19 or 66 2 1/2" or 4" barrel.
A good holster and spare magazines or HKS speedloaders a can of pepper spray and a good surefire mini flashlight and practice until confident with whatever he chooses.
Rent beg or borrow and try out first before laying down the money as skill levels increase a quality pistol will not be outgrown.
Colt .45ACP Officers lightweight or Commander lightweight or a decent made copy or clone.
Sig 229 226 or in .45ACP 220 or Sig's polymer series.
Glock 17 22 19 23 or 30, just get rid of the factory plastic sights with a good set of tritiums such as Heinie or AO/XS with the small dot front sight.
CZ-P01 or CZ-75 IMI Baby Eagle or EAA clones if on a budget.
H&K USP Compact or P2000
Browning P-35 9mm or .40 S & W
FNs new Polymer pistol from what I have seen and handled is not bad at all.
S&W M&P or one of the older DA/SA third generation pistols many good deals on used ones out there allot of them have been traded in.
Springfield XD for those who like striker fired polymer pistols but not the ergonomics of the Glock.
Smith & Wesson .357 K frame model 13 or 65 3" or 4" barrel or a model 19 or 66 2 1/2" or 4" barrel.
A good holster and spare magazines or HKS speedloaders a can of pepper spray and a good surefire mini flashlight and practice until confident with whatever he chooses.
Rent beg or borrow and try out first before laying down the money as skill levels increase a quality pistol will not be outgrown.
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Of those, I'd be inclined to pass on "the Judge".
doc2rn
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I like KelTechnician's train of thought I keep the Model 10 in the Jeep, and a Colt 45 on the hip for CCW. One gun is good in an emergency, having two to protect loved ones priceless.
KelTecian
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right on bro!
The Annoyed Man
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I own pistols chambered in .380, .45 ACP, and .44 Mag. All good guns. Then I bought an HK USP Compact in .40 S&W last weekend. Although it was spendy, it was less, NIB, than one my .45s. The mags hold 12 rounds each, which for an old 1911 guy like me is definitely high capacity. The HK is now definitely my favorite pistol. It's accurate; the cartridge has plenty of power; it fits well in my hand. It's not too large, and not too small. It is a great pistol.
"Sooooo....
A newbie is too clueless to handle a Glock, but can handle a revolver just fine?
If you have such a low opinion of someone, why did you let him borrow some guns?"
A Glock has a trigger pull of 5.5 lbs. Any DA auto or revo will be heavier, and require more intentional practice to allow accuracy. The visible exposure of a trigger also has an affect on newer shooters that gives them an understanding of the mechanics of the handgun. I would never suggest a Glock or any other "spring pin" gun as a newbie gun.
And, I don't have a low opinion of him, I have a low opinion of Glocks as a first handgun. The OP's question was, "What do *you" suggest?" I made my suggestion. You make yours.
And I'll let let my friends borrow whatever I like, without inpection or approval of others. If it makes you sleep better, he didn't keep any ammo. His request was for the guns only. No ammo.
A newbie is too clueless to handle a Glock, but can handle a revolver just fine?
If you have such a low opinion of someone, why did you let him borrow some guns?"
A Glock has a trigger pull of 5.5 lbs. Any DA auto or revo will be heavier, and require more intentional practice to allow accuracy. The visible exposure of a trigger also has an affect on newer shooters that gives them an understanding of the mechanics of the handgun. I would never suggest a Glock or any other "spring pin" gun as a newbie gun.
And, I don't have a low opinion of him, I have a low opinion of Glocks as a first handgun. The OP's question was, "What do *you" suggest?" I made my suggestion. You make yours.
And I'll let let my friends borrow whatever I like, without inpection or approval of others. If it makes you sleep better, he didn't keep any ammo. His request was for the guns only. No ammo.
Guitargod1985
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AFAIK, we use to have a 3-step law, as I have heard this before. But the law is different now. As was mentioned by a previous poster, you can have a firearm loaded and chambered as long as it is "securely encased" and not readily accessible for immediate discharge. For example, if you have it in a tupperware, glovebox (locked or unlocked), center console, snap-in holster, or gun case (locked or unlocked) then you are fine under the law.
Chapter 790, Florida Statutes states:
Of course, if you have the concealed weapon/firearm license you can carry it on your person while in conveyance. Here's what I do: I have one on my person for when I get out of the vehicle, and have another in a snap-in holster that is fastened underneath the dash/wheel/instrument panel.
BTW, +1 on the USP series. It is a bit on the pricy side, but you won't be disappointed in the performance or reliability.
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Me, personally....I would tell him no boss should take any shortcuts in personal protection.
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Don't mean to be a nitpicker, but the .35 Whelen is a necked-up .30-06, and I haven't ever seen one in a lever gun outside of a custom 1895.
If you're talking .45 ACP, I've been impressed by the Ruger P345. It's comfortable to hold and shoot and is accurate enough for me. I don't have one, but that doesn't mean much. I don't have the .357 SIG HD Tactical with night sights that I want, either.
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If you're talking .45 ACP, I've been impressed by the Ruger P345. It's comfortable to hold and shoot and is accurate enough for me. I don't have one, but that doesn't mean much. I don't have the .357 SIG HD Tactical with night sights that I want, either.
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