Help Shut down the Movie "Redacted"

[jjduller1946]

Mark Cuban, owner of the NBA Mavericks and billionaire entrepreneur, man about town has bank-rolled another Brian De Palma anti-American, anti-war movie “Redacted” that depicts a horrible rape and murder by GIs in Iraq (based on an actual crime). The guys that did this are doing hard time but the movie features this aberration as if it were the way our troops conduct themselves in this war.

This Hot Air item sums it up for me: http://hotair.com/archives/2007/11/17/pat-dollard-interviewed-about-redacted/

Here is a link to the movie, FYI: http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809852977/info

He has done some good things including sponsoring a charity for wounded troops.

But he seems to think this movie is an artistic expression to create some sort of reflection on war. I suspect this is a move to get invited to Hollywood insider parties, as if his $2,300,000,000 would not get him on the A list.

Meanwhile the movie is tanking in American box offices. However, it will play big overseas and I believe it will be used to recruit and motivate more radicalized young Muslims.

If you agree with me I urge you to contact his advertisers: Coke, American Airlines, Pizza Hut, and boycott the Mavericks. Her understand the buck. He also has an ego from hell and will not like being seen as anti-American/supportive of jihadists. If you fell strongly also recommend you contack his advertisers and ask thme to stop any association with Mt. Cuban's businesses.

I want him to apologize for this vile movie. After that I will but coke, fly American, eat at A&W.

If you want to contact Mark Cuban I have his email. I urge you to be civil but express your concern that his movie will incite attacks against our troops and our country. If you feel as strongly as I do I recommend you let him know that you will lay off his advertiser until he apologizes. He reads his mail. Although, I think his box may be getting overwhelmed. If you are in the military or retired or in any homeland security function please let him know.

His email is: [email protected]

Thanks for listening and taking action!

 

[Ed Ames]

Why would it possibly be in our interests to hide or gloss over heinous crimes of government employees?

Those sorts of crimes should be exposed not just as failures of our nation and our soldiers, but as warnings that The Government is made up of humans and many of those humans are not just "imperfect" but downright broken. The rape which inspired this movie is exactly the sort of incident which caused our enumerated bill of rights to exist, and exactly the reason our second amendment is so prominent.

Here's a thought for you.... The 2A says "Well regulated militia" and everyone today thinks that means that the people can have arms for militia use. Think of it another way... a way that is far more in keeping with the rest of the constitution: How do you regulate (control) a body of armed men under government orders? Think in terms of checks and balances. What is the balance to armed men? How would Jefferson approach the problem? Maybe the answer was, "balance armed soldiers with an armed populous who can kill them if they step out of line." That's how I read the 2A... the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms was not to be infringed because an armed PEOPLE are the counterbalance to the state militias.

The 2a suddenly becomes "because the state armed forces need to be CONTROLLED for the security of a FREE state the right of the PEOPLE not in the armed forces to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Why? In part because some of those government armed soldiers are rapists who will hide behind their authority and position unless the people can hold them accountable.

 

[ilbob]

bad things happen. sometimes soldiers do them. the us military has been pretty good about dealing with them when it happens.

 

[dwave]

Though it is a bad movie, it is his RIGHT as an American to freedom of speech. If he wants to produce it, he can. As Americans, we should boycott it, and voice our displeasure, but we can't block him from making it. And me personally, if I was making it (and I wouldn't, TRUST ME!) I wouldn't apologize for using my right of speech. Remember we have a right to free speech, we don't have a right not to be offended.

 

[kingpin008]

If you don't like the movie, don't pay to go see it. Shutting it down is pointless - if you're really that worried about it being used to "incite" young radicalized muslims, I might suggest that you open your eyes to our entire way of life, which until now, seems to be plenty capable of ticking them off. One movie will NOT make a difference, if they even see it at all. Somehow I doubt they've got time to take in a matinee, what with all the terrorism and bombings and whatnot.

 

[jjduller1946]

Why would it possibly be in our interests to hide or gloss over heinous crimes of government employees?

Ed, the New York Times and the liberal media have not been shy about telling the story and every other failing of our military in the ongoing war with Islomo-facists. As you know, you have to did deep in the NYT to find any good news from the war.

I am saddened by any of this sort of atrocity and support the punishment of soldiers who violate the law. They got what they deserved from a military court martial and are in prison.

I am not advocating any government action against Mark Cuban or his Producer. That would be an infringement of free speech. I also do not advocate taking away Cuban's 2d amendment rights. I could not quite follow the leap you made from 1st to 2d Amendment but since I was not advocating restriction of either but urging practice of the 1st.

As a citizen I can ask other citizens to exercise their right to object to the movie, exercise their right not to support the business, etc. Go to the movie, let us know if you think Osama bin Laden may take advantage of it.

I agree with ILBOB that on the whole our troops have behaved well in the face of daily terror.

If we had fought WWII with this kind of support from Hollywood we would be reminiscing about the 1st and 2d amendment in German and doing so in secret as such discussions would be against the law.

 

[PTK]

The whole point of the First Amendment is to allow propaganda and unpopular opinions. Don't like the movie or its contents? Don't watch it.

If we had fought WWII with this kind of support from Hollywood we would be reminiscing about the 1st and 2d amendment in German and doing so in secret as such discussions would be against the law.

Yes, a movie is going to destroy America. Good call!

 

[jjduller1946]

If you don't like the movie, don't pay to go see it. Shutting it down is pointless - if you're really that worried about it being used to "incite" young radicalized Muslims, I might suggest that you open your eyes to our entire way of life, which until now, seems to be plenty capable of ticking them off. One movie will NOT make a difference, if they even see it at all. Somehow I doubt they've got time to take in a matinee, what with all the terrorism and bombings and whatnot.

kingpin008,

The way to recruit, motivate and control a terrorist is all about exploiting our infidel way of life. Every time a terrorist cell is broken up there is a bunch of videos and links to terrorist web sites on their computers.

Clips from this movie and the fact that it was produced by a western infidel billionaire makes it juicier. Recall OBL quotes Michael Scherer, the former head of the CIA unit that was tracking him.

In fact, these guys sit around for long periods of time getting their act together before launching their attacks. In Iraq, the tempo is clearly more of and insurgency than the situation in the UK, Spain, Germany, Italy and here. I am worried about both and see this particular movie as a particularly egregious assault during a war on our troops. I do not attempt to take on Britney Spears or Hip Hop. They do not pretend to be serious. But I do vote in ways that I hope will move the country in a way I think will preserve our way of life, including the Constitution.

IMHO...

 

[jjduller1946]

Yes, a movie is going to destroy America. Good call!

PTK,

I do not think this movie or any particular thing is going to be our downfall. I just do not like seeing so-called respectable Americans lining up to drive nails in the coffin. I think I have indicated I do not plan to see the movie. Read the reviews and listened to the Director.

I do not know where you get that I am attempting to restrict the 1st Amendment. I did not say arrest Cuban. I am simply exercising mine.

 

[Ed Ames]

jj... my point was mainly that such movies are good for America and we should encourage more. One of the reasons such movies are good is that they demonstrate the need for our 2A rights in a broader framework than "hunting" or "overthrowing dictators." They demonstrate the need for openness and the need to question the idea that "authorities will protect you" to a broader public better than a pure pro-2A/Pro-mom/Pro-Apple Pie movie would. Movies like Redacted are just as effective as statements like, "when seconds count, police are only minutes away," for demonstrating the problems of a disarmed and powerless people.

As for 1a rights... I have a philosophical problem with what you wrote. Basically you say, "So and so has created an extensive and well crafted message which he sent to the public at large, I want you all to respond with a limited and lower quality message directed to him as an individual." That's a problem in my opinion. You aren't responding in kind. That means you aren't addressing the argument but trying to attack the people behind the argument. A better option would be to come up with a direct rebuttal, either written or in movie form, and publish that to the movie's audience.

 

[roscoe]

Sometimes there is no point in debating emotion with logic. But, well done, anyway.

 

[no_problem]

The founding fathers were dissenters in the strongest term. That's why free speech was the first amendment.

Just because a crime was perpetrated by American soldiers, does not mean it should be swept under the rug and billed as "unpatriotic". Nothing wrong with a movie portraying a criminal story. Dissension will not destroy the fabric of American society, it has the potential to make us stronger.

<<The whole point of the First Amendment is to allow propaganda and unpopular opinions. Don't like the movie or its contents? Don't watch it.

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If we had fought WWII with this kind of support from Hollywood we would be reminiscing about the 1st and 2d amendment in German and doing so in secret as such discussions would be against the law.
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[mljdeckard]

This crime wasn't being hidden in any way. Everyone already knew about it. Those responsible for it have been or are in the process of being punished. The only reason DePalma wanted to make this film was to further discourage the war effort.

If you say you support the troops, but you really hope they lose, you aren't supporting them.

He's made some great films, "The Untouchables" comes to mind, but for the most part, Jimmy Fallon was right, he's a poor man's Hitchcock.

 

[Zundfolge]

The whole point of the First Amendment is to allow propaganda and unpopular opinions. Don't like the movie or its contents? Don't watch it.

Yeah, don't watch the movie, but the First Amendment CLEARLY doesn't mean you should even CONSIDER speaking out against a movie you disagree with.

Just shut your mouth. The First Amendment is only for journalists and Hollywood ... you schmucks in flyover country with your NASCAR, your guns and your American Flags don't count.

 

[Phyphor]

Speaking out against the movie is fine. Attempting to shut it down is not.

While I wouldn't even spit on the thing if it was on fire, I do believe the man has the right to make it and show it.

Let it fail by itself, no need to attempt to kill it.
:banghead:

 

[Zundfolge]

Speaking out against the movie is fine. Attempting to shut it down is not.

Trying to outlaw it would be wrong, but reminding those that support it financially that they may suffer consequences for their stand is not wrong.

 

[jjduller1946]

Speaking out against the movie is fine. Attempting to shut it down is not.

Phyphor and fellow shooters,

As long as my attempt to make Cuban pay a price for his movie is done legally - and it is, I do not see where this action is not fine.

I wrote his advertisers. I wrote him. I ask people to contract him with logic, not emotion. I think he is wrong. As long as I am acting within the law, and I am, then you may disagree with my aims or my tactics. But I do not get where I am wrong for putting some pressure on Cuban. I still have 1st amendment rights last I checked.


Ed Ams, I wish I had the $ to bankroll some decent pro-American films. I wish Hollywood were not so in the tank with the one world, US-hating left and east coasters. I live here with these bleeding hearts but my heart is in Flyover County. And I do not think the quality of my argument is any less than the Cuban message that our troops are baby raping murdering thugs. In fact I like my logic over his by leaps and bounds.

and Happy Thanksginving to all you THR shooters!

IMHO.

 

[orionengnr]

As for 1a rights... I have a philosophical problem with what you wrote. Basically you say, "So and so has created an extensive and well crafted message which he sent to the public at large, I want you all to respond with a limited and lower quality message directed to him as an individual.

Really? Is that what he said? I surely did not read that. What I read was "so and so has a very well funded anti-American propagandist message. I will not support or contribute to it".

That's a problem in my opinion. You aren't responding in kind. That means you aren't addressing the argument but trying to attack the people behind the argument. A better option would be to come up with a direct rebuttal, either written or in movie form, and publish that to the movie's audience.[/

Yeah, if I had Cuban's billions, I could make my own movie and "respond in kind". Most of us do not have those options...thankfully, two of the options we have are a) not to watch his trash and b) to use my 1st Amendment rights to call 'em as we see 'em.

 

[GunTech]

If our democracy is so fragile it can be harmed by this movie, we are indeed in dire straights.

But since this has nothing to do with guns, why is this thread even here. There are appropriate places to air you concerns.

 

[sacp81170a]

Ibtl!

 

[sdj]

The right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms was not to be infringed because an armed PEOPLE are the counterbalance to the state militias.

+1 on that. If the founders were united on anything, it was a suspicion of government, power and authority. It would seem also that they took a dim view of what people become when they have too much power over others. Hence a system of checks and balances. I don't think human nature has changed radically since 1763AD (or 1763BC, for that matter!).

 

[jjduller1946]

GunTech,

Good point - this is not about guns. Thanks for the discusion up to this point.

Glad we can keep guns at home in case people who think this is a trumped up war and 9/11 was a Bush-Cheney scheme to enrich their oil buddies....win.

Shooters, thanks for the discussion. Let's close this out as it is off THR approved topics.

 

[Outlaws]

Meanwhile the movie is tanking in American box offices. However, it will play big overseas and I believe it will be used to recruit and motivate more radicalized young Muslims.

I think the CIA and our countries leaders have been responsible for more of this than a stupid movie ever will.

 

[CZJedi]

This movie is just another Leftist attack on the military and the U.S. Bill O'Reilly is asking everybody who attends Mavs games (home or road) to bring "support the troops" signs.

As usual, too many people think we have to sit there and take it because freedom of speech would be lost if a complaint was raised. Here's a civic lesson for everybody: The producers of this movie have the right to make this film. Others have the right to say they are offended. The Constitution covers both groups, not just the movie makers. Those offended have a right to call/write/email movie theaters, video stores, or whover else they feel and say "if you carry this movie, you loose my business". Those who support the movie have the right to call the same places and say "if you do not carry this movie you loose my bussiness." Again, the Constitution protects the rights of both groups. Now, America being a capitalist country free-market economy, those movie theaters, video stores, and anybody else who got those calls/letters/emails (maybe the Dallas Mavs?) have a right to weigh both sides and say "I 5,000 letters saying ______ ; but I don't care because I like/dislike this film!", or "I got 5,000 letters saying ________; I dont' want to loose money, so I'm going to show/not show this film!" See how it works? Everyone, not just idiots have rights. The only thing that would be wrong here is if the government stopped the film; that would be censorship. Speaking pro or con for the film or boycotting pro or con is part of our American freedom. How companies respond to that is all part of living in a capitalist country.

 

[tdubya]

and the connection to the 2nd Amendment?....oh wait NONE
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