Help with prone technique

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I was at the range the other day, and I ran into some issues firing an AR from prone. Was hoping someone on here might have some pointers on technique to help me out.

The gun in question is an LR-308 with 20 round pmags. (Equipment is probably irrelevant, I bring it up to give a rough size / weight context). I was attempting to fire from an unsupported prone position (ie only my left arm to support the rifle). What I found is that the forward bottom corner of the magazine made contact with the inside of my left forearm. To avoid this, I had to angle my forearm so much that I was using muscle instead of bone to support the rifle - which sort of defeats the purpose of this exercise. I am about 6'3", and fairly long limbed, but I could not seem to find a way around that magazine. I would imagine that an AR-15 with a 30 round mag would present similar difficulty (yes, I know the 20/30 round thing is a mall ninja cliche, but this isn't a troll, I promise). I have had reasonable success using this shooting position with more traditionally stocked rifles in the past.

Obviously, I could get a bipod, or a sand bag and solve the problem. I could also locate a non protruding magazine (I assume they have 5 rounders out there). I am hoping, though, that there might be some trick to make this work with the equipment described.

I am not preparing for any specific competition, just having fun at the range, so I don't have any technique or rule restraints. I would just like to learn to shoot this rifle from a variety of field positions with a full size mag in it - and that includes those positions used when external support isn't available.
 
A couple of things come to mind. First, is that your general body geometry is probably about right for this to come into play. I'm just guessing that you're properly indexing your body roughly 30-40 degrees to the target. Other wise, you'd be tripoding on your elbows, and the mag would hang in the center, and out of the way. It'd solve the mag problem but introduce so much instability it'd defeat the purpose.

One of the big issues I see that can cause this is the shooter laying the rifle across the top of the wrist bones. It "seems" more stable, but it really isn't.

The support hand should be relaxed, and the rifle should lay right on top of the life-line of the palm. If you do this, there is enough offset for the mag to clear the support forearm.

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Siglite,

Thanks! That's exactly what I was looking for. I was indeed angled to the target, and was trying to place my elbow directly under the stock.

When I try placing the rifle across my hand as you describe, I have sufficient space for the mag, and a mostly vertical arm bone. There is still some risidual tension in my bicept in this position - is that expected, or should I find a way to eliminate that? Also, this seems to place my forearm about 5 degrees from vertical. Is this likely to cause problems for me?
 
Siglite,

Thanks! That's exactly what I was looking for. I was indeed angled to the target, and was trying to place my elbow directly under the stock.

When I try placing the rifle across my hand as you describe, I have sufficient space for the mag, and a mostly vertical arm bone. There is still some risidual tension in my bicept in this position - is that expected, or should I find a way to eliminate that? Also, this seems to place my forearm about 5 degrees from vertical. Is this likely to cause problems for me?
It depends on how you're shooting, at what, and why. Slings are the best way to remove that bicep tension and support the rifle. Lots of vids out there about using loop, hasty, and hasty-hasty slings for support. 4 or 5 degrees from vertical probably won't matter much. You really will want the elbow as far under the rifle as you can get it, and your open palm provides the offset to get the mag inboard of the forearm.

All of this stuff is going to be a little different for everyone. You'll have to fidget around to find what gives you the best stability, within some best practices.

The sling though, is an outstanding field shooting aid. Really under-used these days.
 
Thanks again to everyone. Hopefully have a chance to get to the range in a couple of weeks -will experiment with the position meanwhile. I also agree on the sling - I have used them with milsurps and was impressed by the stability imparted. I need to get out to an Appleseed shoot one of these months.
 
Go attend an Appleseed and you will learn a lot shooting prone, sitting, kneeling and standing!

I am so glad you try to shoot using your elbow as a support. It is what makes one of the fondation of real riflemen!
 
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