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[nobody1369]

any thoughts on this lock?

 

[mykeal]

What is it you need help with?

 

[PapaG]

Looks an awful lot like a TC Hawken/Renegade lock that someone has adapted to a drum and nipple ignition.
I did that a few times in the past...lockplate is hard as a file but the locks last forever with their coil springs.

 

[nobody1369]

this is kind of what i was getting at my rifle is a 40 to 50 year old custom. i was wondering if it was once flint lock

 

[arcticap]

The lock plate is similar to a contemporary TC or CVA Hawken, but due to its age it's hard to know where it came from without taking the lock off and looking for some clues.
Are there any markings on the gun at all?
Very early CVA flintlocks had double triggers that looked similar and I think that they were assembled in the USA using a combination of domestic and imported parts.
How do you know that your gun was a custom and not ordered from someplace like CVA, or from a builder that used CVA or imported parts?
To believe that the lock and/or barrel was switched from flint to percussion without some tell tale signs of fitting the wood around the lock mortise would be a lot to speculate about from simple photos of the exterior.
How long is the barrel? Is it a long gun or a half-stock?
I believe that early CVA flinters were more often .45 long guns that were made with Douglas barrels. They looked custom, could be made to be extemely fast and worked with precision.
That lock mortise looks original and made for that lock. The drum looks as old as the gun. So IMO from the photos, the lock and drum don't look like replacements to me.

 

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I have one that looks like that. Mine is my wife's "Kick Ass" rifle as she calls it.
She made it from Thompson Center parts. Had to grind out the lock plate to
fit around the drum. Green Mt. barrel, 40 caliber. Shoots a .410 ball, .020
thick Teflon patch and 50 grs. Goex FFF. Has won the Missouri State Championship several times.

 

[nobody1369]

my rifles maker was J FISHER it is a full stock custom this is # 1 of 18 built for his family members mine was made in '63 or '73 he made everythiing except some furn. and the lock photo to follow it's a 1 in 66 15/16 across the flats .45
built in baird tx from what i understand.it has a double set single lever must be set to cock
oh yea 76 grains fff goex 4" high at 100 yards! my back yard range has 25 100 150 and 275 yd targets and it will drop a white tail like a rock at 100 yds all p.r.b.

 

[arcticap]

That resembles a TC coil spring lock and looks the same as the one in Kwi43's photo.

 

[PapaG]

TC Lock and never was a flint as there are no holes for the frizzen screw or frizzen spring tang. Doubt seriously it was '63 but could well have been 73

 

[nobody1369]

guess i was misunderstood, i know that this is a perc. lock. was wondering if my rifle may have been converted if you look closely at the pictures you will see that the lock has been altered or is that the way t.c. did it in '73? the last two photos that is , brazing and shaping

 

[nobody1369]

ok let me try another route, with a touch hole liner how close are the lock plate dimensions for their flint to perc.

 

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They are the same. My rifle goes back and forth between perc and Flint.
Just change locks, unscrew the drum and screw in a touch hole liner.

 

[nobody1369]

thanks man did not mean to complicate things

 

[arcticap]

The lock plates may have the same shape but a contemporary TC percussion stock won't simply interchange with a TC flint lock without relieving the stock behind the lock to allow it to fit. Or else the wood will interfere with the flint lock. After the required amount of wood is removed then they can become interchangable according to kwhi43.

if you look closely at the pictures you will see that the lock has been altered or is that the way t.c. did it in '73? the last two photos that is , brazing and shaping

The part of the lock where it has been brazed appears to have been customized to accommodate those particular double triggers since they're not the same as TC's factory double triggers.