Here we go again! - Shots fired, hostages, Colorado High School

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Colorado Schools Evacuated Amid Reports of Shots Fired

Wednesday, September 27, 2006

BAILEY, Colo. — An adult gunman took at least two people hostage at Platte Canyon High School in the tiny mountain town of Bailey on Wednesday, and was holding at least four people hostage.

Platte and the adjoining Fitzsimmons Middle School were being Wednesday after reports of shots fired. Schools in the surrounding areas were on lockdown. Around 4:30 p.m. ET, there were reports that a tank was brought in and aimed at the door of the school, as were the SWAT teams on scene.

The Jefferson County bomb squad and SWAT team responded to a reported emergency in Bailey, which is located about 50 miles southwest of Denver, according to local media reports. The two schools share a wall with each other.

There were reports that there was an "active gunman" in Platte. There are no reports of any injuries so far. Law enforcement officials are reportedly speaking with the shooter; it's not known whether those conversations are taking place in person or by phone.

Just before 2 p.m. ET, a man in his mid-30s entered the school, saying he had a bomb. One theory is that he may be a parent of a student.

The evacuation of the schools came after a loud noise, said Jan Howard, a secretary to the superintendent of schools.

"I don't know what the noise was," she said. She said students were taken to a safe location, but predicted parents would not be able to immediately reach them because the only highway in and out of town had been shut down.

Parents are being asked to pick up their children from nearby Deer Creek Elementary School.

"I'm just terrified. I'm terrified," said Sherry Husen, whose son plays on the high school football team and was told not to return to school from his part-time job. "I know so many kids in that school."

U.S Highway 285 was closed as crews respond to the scene, according to reporters on the scene.

According to the local Park County newspaper, The Flume, radio dispatch reports starting at about 11:45 a.m. indicated that an adult male had fired a shot in second-floor classroom after a teacher had refused to do what he asked.

The Flume reported that the dispatcher described a situation in which the male had a "black square-ish looking gun and fired one shot when the teacher refused to do what he asked." At 11:50 a.m., the dispatcher said the teacher had left the room five minutes before; students were in the room with the possible shooter.

Platte Canyon High School had 467 students enrolled during the 2005-2006 school year, according to its Web site. Fitzsimmons Middle School has about 350 students.

The schools are in a narrow, winding canyon carved by the South Platte River about 35 miles southwest of Denver.

Husen's family moved to Bailey from suburban Denver about 14 years ago.

"We moved up here for the mountain solitude, and I just never thought this would happen in this school, but it happens everywhere," she said.

Calls to Bailey police and the Park County sheriff were not immediately returned.

Bailey is located is in Park County, which is adjacent to Jefferson County. Jefferson County is where the Columbine High School shootings occurred on April 20, 1999. In those shootings, two students killed 13 people before taking their own lives. Jefferson County law enforcement has been called in to help Park County respond to the incident.
 
Why shouldn't someone say it? It is BS that an arbitrary boundary is going to somehow change someones tendency to commit harm that otherwise they wouldn't do. It is only common sense that a bad guy might be less inclined to commit a crime or more likely stopped if there was a legally armed individual in the area.
 
This is impossible. It's a 'Gun Free School Zone' done for the protection of the children. They are safe. Sarah Brady said so.

Black, squarish looking gun? It has to be a Glock!

Anyways, I hope they nail the bastard and everybody but him gets to return home to their families.
 
kevin387 said:
Why shouldn't someone say it?

It should be said, but - and I realize that these stories are posted specifically for gun-related discussion, so I'm being sort of unrealistic here - it does get rather annoying to read about people being taken hostage or killed, and see the first response(s) being "let's complain about restrictive gun laws"-type posts.

It seems to me that although we complain about the antis seizing every tragic occurence as a chance to trumpet about the need for increased restrictions on guns, we're guilty of doing the same thing in regards to the folly of said restrictions.
 
Good point Ninja. The difference is, however, that we are right and they are wrong. Gun control doesn't work. This is just one of the cases that proves it.

The guy got what he deserved. My thoughts go out to the kids and the teachers.

I fear here that today's youth will somehow be incapable of accepting that they are the victims of not only a guy with a gun but also of gun control, and that cries for stricter gun control will not be far behind.
 
MTMilitiaman said:
The difference is, however, that we are right and they are wrong.

They think the exact same thing. ;)

You'll be happy to know that I'm about to hit 19 in November. Two years after, I intend to apply for my CCW and begin exercising my right to self-defense outside the home. I'm most definitely a gun guy, and I'm passionate about our 2nd Amendment rights, along with all the others. I'm afraid that I'm a closet libertarian - but shh. :D

Hope is not yet lost. :)
 
Colorado school gunman is dead

BAILEY, Colo. — Adult gunman fires shots at Colorado high school, takes 6 hostages
Eds: UPDATES with gunman dead.
AP Photos
AP Graphic BAILEY COLORADO
By CHASE SQUIRES
Associated Press Writer
BAILEY, Colo. (AP) — A middle-aged gunman walked into the high school in this mountain town Wednesday, fired at least two shots and took six people hostage before the situation ended with his death, authorities said.

Lance Clem, spokesman for the state Department of Public Safety, said the gunman was dead, but had no immediate details on his death. He also did not know the condition of two young girls who were being held hostage after the other hostages were released from Platte Canyon High School.

Jacki Kelley, spokeswoman for the Jefferson County sheriff, declined to release details pending a formal news conference.

Here's the link.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060927/NEWS99/60927027
 
The gunman is dead

BJPZOO said:
Colorado school gunman is dead

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BAILEY, Colo. — Adult gunman fires shots at Colorado high school, takes 6 hostages
Eds: UPDATES with gunman dead.
AP Photos
AP Graphic BAILEY COLORADO
By CHASE SQUIRES
Associated Press Writer
BAILEY, Colo. (AP) — A middle-aged gunman walked into the high school in this mountain town Wednesday, fired at least two shots and took six people hostage before the situation ended with his death, authorities said.

Lance Clem, spokesman for the state Department of Public Safety, said the gunman was dead, but had no immediate details on his death. He also did not know the condition of two young girls who were being held hostage after the other hostages were released from Platte Canyon High School.

Jacki Kelley, spokeswoman for the Jefferson County sheriff, declined to release details pending a formal news conference.

Here's the link.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...EWS99/60927027
This is from another thread started on THR at http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=224249
 
I know it's always easier to say, "well, they should have had CCW." But it's the truth. Ever since the Columbine attack, crazies get the idea that they can go in and shoot up a school. Well guess what? They can because schools are "gun-free zones". Now let me pose a theory just like the left does: Even in the event that all civilian firearms were banned, someone could still wreak havoc and destruction in the school with (what is now called) an IED. Remember that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold also had homemade pipebombs. IEDs are easy to make.

In short if you want to kill people, you set your mind to it, you will be able to do it. Where there's a will, there's a way. Similarly, if we set our minds to STOPPING school shootings by allowing faculty and those of age to ARM themselves, we can make these school shooters think twice before going into a school to shoot people up.

Unfortunately, I think school shootings are here to stay as long as the crazies realize that school shootings are a great way to get free publicity from the media.
 
But "correct" and "incorrect" are not dependent on feelings. "I reject your reality and substitute my own" doesn't apply to real life. In the end, there is "correct" and everything else that isn't. Human beings fear violence, or at very least, can be stopped by violence. That's a fact. It's one that criminals use to their advantage. Also a fact. Criminals, by the fact that they are criminals, do not obey the law. Fact. So having a law against guns does not concern them in the least. Fact.

The only logical conclusion is that we need to meet their willingness to use violence with our own. The antis stance, and only leg they think they can stand on, is that even with the willingness to do violence, if we can only remove all the weapons from their reach, we will neutralize them. But reality shows us that it is impossible to remove any and all weapons from one's grasp. So the anti's theory of stopping violence, while noble, is completely unattainable.

Reality is a square peg. The antis think the world is a round hole. It just doesn't fit.


I know I'm preaching to the choir, but "we're right and they're wrong" really is true. Thinking and believing don't alter reality. If you just look at the facts, gun ownership and training for us non-criminals is the only reasonable approach. I wish we lived in a world where it wasn't, but that's not reality, and me wishing doesn't make it so.
 
Tom Mauser, whose son Daniel was among the students slain at Columbine, said: "Any adult who holds kids hostage is reprehensible."

And any society that allows its children to remain unprotected and easy prey is reprehensible also says I
 
I live in Bailey. I was having lunch in town when we heard all the sirens. Found out there were shots fired and a hostage situation at the high school.
This is a terrible tragedy. My neighbors have kids in that school. Your first instinct is to go help but you have to let the professionals do their thing. At least they didn"t sit around on there ass's this time. Unfortunaly one young (16) lady died. We still don't know if the ******* shot himself or not. Gun free zones at just a feel good joke. We need armed people in our schools and not just cops or rent a cops.

It has been a lousy day.

Semper Fi
 
Well, clearly the solution is stricter gun laws, guards, cameras and metal detectors at every sidewalk intersection and entrance to every building, tapping everyones phones and reading everyones minds, searching everyones pockets, bags, cars, trunks, houses, backgrounds, and screening everyones fingerprints and scanning every citizens retinas when the leave their homes each day.

Seriously, and I have to write this in all caps because I just don't get it, WHEN WILL THE LIBERAL LEFT WAKE UP AND REALIZE THAT THESE 'GUN FREE ZONES' JUST DO NOT WORK LIKE THEY PROMISE THEY WILL! :banghead:

What these laws DO create are, as we see again and again, are victim zones in schools and (and also churches). On a liberal news program I was just watching the question keeps coming up, "Why do these gunmen continue to choose schools?" DUH?! If the answer were any closer it would hit them in the nose!

There are NO amount of guards, metal detectors and strip searches that will protect people from violence from motivated individuals. Don't believe me? Prisons are the most violent places by far! Yet, that's what the "left" solution is. Do we really want to give up all of our freedoms for the false promise of security when in reality it offers no security and the loss of freedoms? Do we all want to live in the prisons of fear with no true protections from violence until "after the fact."
 
Armed faculty would be something that should be considered. Saying that, we all know not all faculty are good candidates for carrying weapons. If you give a sheep a weapon, it still may freeze when the wolf approaches.

This situation played different than Columbine. In that horrible tragedy, the police did what they were trained to do (at that time). Since that, active shooter training has totally changed. The days of locking down, calling swat and negotiating are over for active shooters. Now it is active stopping.

I very much remember the tragedy and talk around the station. We all said it would be very difficult to stand outside sealing the building when someone is inside shooting. That WAS our training. The NEW training is very active and hopefully what stopped this before it turned worse.

Talk is cheap unless it reaches the ears of someone who can make change. I'm feeling emails to my elected officials in the very near future. Who knows, it happened with the airlines.
 
I just found out the girl that was killed worked at the Cafe. She would always bring me an ice tea as soon as I sat down. It was sad in the cafe this morning. They have a collection started for the family. I think the Park County and Jefferson Counties swat did an outstanding job in preventing a mass loss of life.
I think it is time for Colorado to end the gun free zone for schools. If you have a permit you can carry there. We all know what it takes to get a permit.

Semper Fi

P.S. Sorry about the cussing last night.
 
From what I've read it looks like LE did the right thing. Whoever was in charge actually made a decision and took the initiative. Unfortunately, one of the hostages was killed as was the perp, but the other hostages (all female) survived. Everyone will try to second guess LE but it doesn't look like they had many other options. Sad for the girl and her family.
 
Nice to know that schools are safe with there no gun/knives policies.

I would be pissed if my daughter was raped and or killed in a gov "safe zone". I would sue then for all there worth and more(would not be about the money just makeing the school/city hurt). Kids should be allowed to defend them selfs just like adults.

Ps i dont see anyone stating it but some if not all the girls were raped heard it this morning in a press conference. Now they know the name of the guy too. And i think they said he was homeless and/or living out of his car. my god i would be pissed as a parent

here is a link to the latest update
http://www.nbc11.com/news/9954600/detail.html
 
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