Hi Power Range Session...

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Stephen A. Camp

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Hello. Like the majority here, I try to get to the range on a frequent basis. Some shooters are dedicated to a set regimen using a specific handgun or perhaps two while other folks shoot a wider variety of handguns.

In years past, I primarily shot a 9mm Hi Power but when I became a police officer worked with the DA-revolver as well. When I became a firearm instructor, I found myself shooting a considerably wider variety of service-style sidearms. These days, I find myself primarily shooting Hi Powers, 1911's, CZ75's, S&W revolvers and a few Glocks. To the best of my recollection, working with varied action-types has not resulted in any erosion of whatever shooting abilities I might have had. (I have shot single-action autoloaders so much that when working at practical-type, quick-and-dirty shooting, I find myself disengaging a thumb safety that simply is not present on some of my handguns. This hurts nothing though the opposite certainly would not be true.)

Some years ago I was told by a younger shooter at the range I frequent that I didn't "understand the purpose of the handgun" because I was bullseye shooting at 25 yards with a near-stock 9mm Hi Power. He explained to me that "old school" bullseye shooting was useless but that if I still wanted to do it, I should use a target pistol.

(If interested, here is link relating to target vs. combat shooting:

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Good Target or Combat Shot.htm

...and one on "the purpose of the handgun":

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Purpose of the Handgun.htm )

I thanked him and he went back off with his shooting companions to a different pistol range. I continued to shoot bullseye because that was my mood for the day...

...and that meanders to the present and the suggestions to be offered in this post.

I recently went shooting after a longer-than-usual gap in doing so. I took a near-stock 9mm Mk III Hi Power and three types of factory ammunition. I intended to shoot both bullseye (precision) and a couple of more "practical" (defense-oriented) drills. Though session was intended to be enjoyable, I also intended it as practice to prevent the inevitable erosion of skills that comes with failure to practice.

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The Mk III used is one I've dubbed "my Carry Hi Power" though in truth, I don't tote it very often. It is wearing Hogue checkered Pau Ferro stocks and is using a Wolff 18.5-lb recoil spring. The ambidextrous factory thumb safety has been replaced with a C&S single-side extended thumb safety that is extremely positive in either the "on" or "off" positions. The magazine "safety" had been removed by some previous owner (I bought the gun used) which saved me having to do it. I know that opinions on that vary and I leave it to each of us to decide our individual choices there.) Ammunition shown is Fiocchi 124-gr. "Extrema" with Hornady's XTP bullet. I bobbed the spur hammer to eliminate hammer-bite. The trigger-pull on this gun measures just over 4-lbs and breaks cleanly.

First up was slow-fire shooting at 15 yards using a two-handed hold from a standing position.

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This was done slowly, probably about 1 shot per 3 seconds or so. I didn't time it. Frankly, it was better than I expected.

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The 25-yard range was occupied so I stepped back about 5 large steps on the 15-yard range I was using and repeated the slow-fire exercise as a slightly longer distance of 20 yards.

I then moved up to the 7-yard line and worked on one-handed shooting, both "strong" and "weak". (Oops! My terminology is incorrect! I believe it is now referred to as "shooting hand" and "non-shooting" hand or something entirely different.) In any event, I do suggest that it is a good thing to work on other than two-hand shooting despite it being my preference if given a choice.

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I am right-handed and it shows. Though I have been clearly negligent in working on one-handed shooting, it shows more on my left-hand target. It is a good thing to work on our weaker skill areas even if it might not be as enjoyable, I believe. It is also obvious that I need to work more at "practicing what I preach" from these one-hand targets!

Remembering the younger shooter's chiding about my ignorance of the handgun's purpose, I drew a "humanoid" figure with a dashed-line high-chest "X-Ring" measuring about 5 or 6". I refer to those as "Gort" targets. (For those who have not seen the movie, Gort was the robot in "The Day the Earth Stood Still".)

Using a two-hand hold and starting from a low-ready position, I fired a single shot to the head with the nose being my aiming point. This was repeated 10 times. Average time was 1.02 seconds per shot. Distance as 7 yards.

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This exercise was done using the Fiocchi ammunition. The resulting group measured about 2 5/8 x 2". I know some shooters who can easily surpass this.

Next up was work from the draw (presentation) with a two-hand hold. (The holster used was an inexpensive Fobus paddle holster that happened to be close to hand when I was gathering up what I would take to the range.) Average time was 1.35 secs per shot to draw and fire a single round. As in the previous drill, I repeated this 10 times.

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The final 10-shot group from this drill measured 4 x 2 7/8". (The head shots were from the previous drill.)

Was this a "correct" range session for reinforcing skills? I wouldn't know but I can say that it was enjoyable...and that I see nothing wrong with enjoying range sessions. At the same time, depending upon your individual goals, such sessions can also be work.

Years ago I quit competitions of any kind. (I was never in the "big leagues" and do not want to infer that I was.) The fun left and the absolute "need" to win took over. Winning was not the only thing; it was everything...and it wasn't worth it. When I quit worrying about competitions, I began enjoying shooting again...and still do. In my opinion, work is required not only to improve but to maintain our shooting skills. At the same time, I suggest that we will do better if we can also enjoy range sessions.

In other words, don't lose the "fun factor" in shooting.

Best.
 
I dont think that kid knew what he walking about, and he was talking about it to the wrong person.

you're a hell of a shooter..
 
Mr. Camp:

I always enjoy your commentaries. May I ask a question..or two? You seem to prefer the 9MM in one weapon-guise or another over the venerable .45ACP. If that assumption is correct, do you mind explaining?

As a former LEO and firearms instructor, too, I have owned, carried and shot many handguns over the years. I am a 1911 fan and currently carry a Springfield Lightweight Champion on a daily basis. However, I don't get to the range as much as I did when I was an LEO, and when I do, I find the expense of .45ACP ammunition keeps me from practicng as much as I need to (I don't reload any longer...for now). Hence, I am considering a 9MM for my CCW needs.

As always, your input is respected.
 
I love the part about the chiding. Kid must not be much of a reader...

I always enjoy your posts and archived writings.
 
Steve, I think we might have been twins from different mothers. I do about the same thing as you regarding practice, drills, and have even come from a similar background (I was LE for about 20 years, during most of the same years as you - I'm 58 now). My take on competition, and getting back to enjoying shooting, have also molded my present shooting. It would be nice to bump into you sometime to see just how much common ground we have shared, from across the country, and ended up with similar views. I am often amazed with the same when I visit some friends in Colorado, given most of my time has been spent here in Ohio. Thanks for the look into your day of shooting.
 
I have Mr. Camp's books, and enjoy them. I got away from hi-powers for a while, sold them, and now I'm back. Picked up a new .40 hipower and a used Practical. Won't get rid of these.
 
Hello to all and thanks for taking the time to comment; it is appreciated.

SharpDressedMan: I got a kick out of your post and do suspect (strongly) that we probably do share many of the same ideas on shooting as we are roughly the same age and represent the "young lions" of our generation years ago.

sidheshooter: I honestly think that the young fellow was trying to help in his own way but in any event I knew what I was going to do that day: shoot bullseye. Besides, I had a very pressing and important concern to consider when I wasn't shooting: Would the wife fix cornbread that evening with supper? (Sadly, the answer was "not"...)

dogsoldier0513: I do believe that the .45 ACP probably is more potent than the 9mm shot-to-shot but remain unconvinced that the difference is as huge as has been suggested now and again. The 1911-pattern pistol remains a real favorite of mine and I know of no other handgun with which I can shoot more accurately than one of these. For several years I toted a 1911 .45 ACP for police duty but eventually went with the 9mm Hi Power for several reasons, some probably more valid than others. I believe that placement is power and that solid hits with either will probably do the job but that neither is "powerful" enough to make an unlawful aggressor cease doing what he was shot for because he physically must without it. At the same time I suggest that confidence in one's armament is valid and that if a person simply trusts one caliber over another, go with a handgun chambered in that caliber. I'm happy with .38 Special and up in a revolver and 9mm up in a semiautomatic but plenty of other folks have different preferences.

Again, thank you all.

Best.
 
To me being able to shoot accurately is more important than being able get your gun out and shoot someone quick in the belly.

About 15 yrs. ago I was at the local gun range and at the time it was being hogged by the local sheriffs that we practicing their quick draw and fire 3 yrd distance at a full size human target.

It kind of made me laugh, seeing these cops, keep repeating this same drill for about 1/2 hr.

I asked the instructor why they did it and he said this is where most cop shooting happen, close up and fast.

I asked the instructor if his cops could hit center mass and 25yrds. and give a 3-5" group with a two hand slow fire drill. He said some were good shots and others were barely passing.

He offered to run them thru an accuracy drill at 25 yrds. just before they left,
end results there were 10 sherriffs firing 9mm glocks. 6 cops had very
decent groups while the last 4 were all over the target and 1 barely hit the target.

I guess this was the guy that was failing.

The instructor wished they still taught bullseye type shooting to the police, but he said they stress more getting your pistol out quick and just hitting the bad guy how ever you can.

Another time at the range there was a young guy bitching that he gun was crap and couldn't hit the target. I asked what was the problem and he told me he was local cop and had trouble qualifing with his gun and he was practicing.

I watched him fire and tried to help him, he was firing a glock 40.
It turned out he was a really bad shot, shacking and moving all over the place.

I let him practice with my Hi Standard 22lr and gave him some quick tips and tricks. After about 1/2 hr. he was able to at least get all his shoots off hand on bulls eye target.

We then moved on to the glock, I shot it first to see how it grouped on paper and get the aiming point down. I was able to get a 5" group off hand with it, so I told him, the problem his him and not the gun.

After giving him some pointers on keeping a steady hold and proper trigger pull.

I had him at least hitting the target with most of his shots, he thanked me and I recommended that he get a small 22 target pistol and just practice more.

He told me the department instructor he had was a prick and lost patience with him.

What really shocked me was that, this cop was already on the force for 3 yrs.
Lucky he never had to shoot anyone.
 
Mr. Camp,

Thank you for your explanation and rationale.

xr1200,

We had a similar problem with 2 of my department's officers. At 5 yards, both were putting their rounds in the dirt (G23s). It was traced to their grip/trigger finger placement.

Another time one of our SGTs (on the TacTeam no less) totally missed a 10-inch bullseye (slow fire) @ 15 yards, using an HK USP Tactical .45. Did I mention that he was on the TacTeam???

My last Q-course was in 08/2003 using a NIB G22 drawn from a brand new Safariland Raptor II. We shot (6) courses of fire, beginning at 3 yards and going to 25 yards. I scored 100% on all (6) runs....and I dislike Glocks.

FWIW, I shoot a 9MM 'better' but 'love' a good .45. It all goes back to a '911 hangup call' and an encounter with a large pit bull while carrying a Beretta 92 and Federal 124 gr. HS (NON+P) rounds.
 
Good stuff gentlemen.....I've enjoyed this thread immensely!....Dang, know it all youngsters. ;)
 
I think the "kid" had a point and not to be disparaged. For example, it depends on purpose. I've never fired at 25 yds on any of my carry guns. At that distance, I'm looking for cover not a shoot-out....My regimen on the range never exceeds 15yds...But that's me and has nothing to do with Mr. Camp's range practice.
 
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Thanks for the range report and reminder Mr. Camp. All to often I go to the range to run some drills and neglect to do some slow aimed fire. I really need to work strong and weak hand only more.
looks like we have similar carry rigs.
 

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I always enjoy your writings, Mr Camp.
My first real experience with handguns was a 14 week LEO Academy. We shot 6 days a week, 25 yards, one hand (RIGHT hand, just get used to it leftys), slow, timed and rapid fire (load 5 rounds in a 6 round cylinder).
It was some time after when using 2 hands, closing the distance, and filling the cylinder was taught (we did fill the cylinder on duty, of course, just don't know how many guys reloaded after shooting 5). I did fire on duty one night, one hand, out of a car window at 80-90 MPH, maybe 20 yards. Hit the mark.

Anyway, I'm trying to get used to shooting closer. I did instantly adopt 2 hand hold - wow - helps a lot. I shot PPC matches some with a 1911 and enjoyed that.

The BHP platform has interested me and I may give that a shot. I'm having a 1911 9mm converted to a .38 Super right now, so I have to get past that first.

Thanks for sharing your storytelling, which always sparks memories for me.
 
Same practice I do -indoors.
Only thing I DON'T like about my BHPs is that it is the oly gun I've carried that consistenly wipes off the safety after a hard days carry- scary enough to make me think DA decocker.
For some reason that does not happen with most of my 1911s. Maybe I should have my favorite Aluma Gripped MK2 get that stiff C&S safety ?
 
As an aside, Mr. Camp, I should have asked: are you any happier with that batch of fiocchi than with the original 124 extrema outing described on your site? I originally had high hopes for this load for my own 9mms...

Just curious.
 
Gordon,
I've shot a few BHPs with factory safeties, and they were a bit "mushy" and less positive than I would like. Cylinder and Slide has a safety that is much better IMO. Mr. Camp has the single side version on his BHP pictured above, but C&S also makes an ambidextrous version.
 
Hello. Though I prefer the factory safety when cut down to single-side, the C&S does seem to engage more positively due to the different shape of its plunger.

The Fiocchi Extrema ammunition used is some that I have left. Its velocity is 200 ft/sec less than advertised...but it does group well so I'm using it for the range.

Best.
 
Just to let you guys be for warned, the ambi safety from C&S will make the gun very hard to run right handed. I put one on one of my HPs for my left handed wife and now I won't touch it. The lever on the right side of the gun sticks up and a very bad angle so as to make it a finger tip ripper (or stopper) if you grasp the slide in an overhand fasion with your left. Hope that makes sence.
 
^^^that does make sense, and is something that I certainly did not consider before now. Good input, thanks.
 
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