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  1. deadeye dick

    deadeye dick Member

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    Just picked up a pound of the above powder from a good salesman at Cabalas. Most of my manuals don't have much data on this powder. The Hodgdon site either.
    Anyone here have any experience with this stuff. I'm loading handgun, 38 SP, 45ACP, .357 Mag. and 9MM. , both lead and plated. Any help would be appreciated. Howie
     
  2. mcb

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    I like 800-x alot unfortunately I have not tried it in any of those cartridges. I use it in 10mm Auto and 44 Magnum. One problem with 800-x is it meters pretty poorly. Its such a big flat flake it makes for a very fluffy powder and in most powder drops that use volume to dispense charges you get a lot of charge variability. I weight every charge when loading with 800-x. Its also not in QuickLoads which makes using it a bit harder since you can't user Quickloads to double check loads especially when you don't have much published data to fall back on.
     
  3. Birdhunter1

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    I have used 800X in 12 and 20 gauge loads and found it shoots well in all temperatures. I've also use it in 9mm with 125 gr and 115 grain bullets and it shot well.
    It does not meter well at all and for me it seemed to burn really dirty and leave flakes in the bore. In a shotgun a variation of a grain or so wasn't that bad, I just kept cranking them out on a MEC 700. But those pistol loads my Redding BR3 and Lee Auto disk neither one metered it well.
     
  4. George P

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    From Hodgdon:
     
  5. Galil5.56

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    Here ya go Howie, from an IMR manual:

    9mm luger.JPG 9mm luger.JPG 45 ACP 2.JPG 45 ACP.JPG 357 2.JPG 357 Mag.JPG Clipboard01.jpg

    As mentioned, it meters like hockey pucks, and I have only used it in .44 Magnum with 240 grain bullets, where it did well, and is very blasty... A little story.

    I was shooting on Conn Army barracks range in Germany one weekend, a range we shared with local Germans and was shooting these max 800x loads in my S&W 29. A very buttoned up German man was shooting his matte chromed SIG P210 Super Target model very deliberately, looking like an Olympic shooter. Well, the 'ugly' American let loose with the first round looking like a basketball, and initiating a shock wave a Claymore mine would envy. I did another, and heard him say in German "Damn Cowboy", which made me smile, as I knew what he said. I think he was a bit embarrassed, and I asked if he wanted to fire a few rounds... He did, and you could not wipe the smile off of his face. He offered me his P210 which I gladly accepted, and had a very nice rest of a day, and made a new friend.

    Firearm ownership despite what some may believe, is HUGE in Germany, and a lot of Europe. Here is a huge sporting goods store I used to get things from when I lived in Germany in the early 90's, and of course they have a website now... Here is just a taste, and you can spend hours looking at all of the cool stuff they have.

    https://www.frankonia.de/schiesssport/kurzwaffen/pistolen/gk-sportpistolen/online-shop.html
     
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  6. mcb

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    I have to say I am surprise you say 800-X is blasty. I found just the opposite. In my 44 Mag 800-x has very little blast and no muzzle flash. When compared to similar velocities achieved with H110 under the same bullet is was like night and day. The H110 has a lot more muzzle blast and was like a flash bulb going off. I guess all things are relative...
     
  7. JimKirk

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    I use 800X in 357 SIG, 44 Magnum & 20 gauge....

    As said it doesn't meter well ... but gives great velocity and accuracy in the two pistol/revolver cartridges....

    I meter my loads short and trickle up to the load...

    I can bump 1500 fps with a 124 grain out of Glock 31, 1300 fps with a 147 grain using it ...
     
  8. Duster340

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    800X is one of my favorite powders for my 44 mags.
     
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  9. Olon

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    I love it for shotgun but I haven't used it for any of those you listed.
     
  10. Texas10mm

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    Perception vs reality.

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  11. Elkins45

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    800-X meters like corn flakes, but it's one of the best 10mm and 357 Sig powders available. If I were getting anywhere near max I would weigh my charges, or at the very least use one of those fancy electronic dispensers.
     
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    Ditto on both the great performance of 800-X AND that it meters terribly. It is a little slower than Unique and a little faster than Power Pistol. I started with the Ramshot True Blue data in Quickload and it got me within 50 fps of the predicted MV's in 9mm. Of course you should use the published data for your upper bounds but it does work for finding an approximate start load. Like most shotgun powders, it also worked well in low recoil .308 loads with 10-13g.

    I used a powder measure with a short wide meter rather than a deep skinny cavity. It got me within +/- 0.2g which is not good if you like pushing the limits, but for mid range loads, it was completely satisfactory and sure beats trickling for handgun loading.
     
  13. 300Whspr

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    I've played around with 800X in 40S&W a little bit with some cast and coated 180gr bullets. I'll agree that it's "blasty"... also makes a nice big fireball. Once it gets a little warmer better weather, I'll get out the chrony and see what it does... but I like it so far. It meters fairly well in the Dillon powder measure... better than I expected anyway. I weighed 10 consecutive charges and all were within .2 gr of each other, most within .1 of the "target", and usually on the lighter side. So far I like it, except for the fireballs...
     
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  14. Lennyjoe

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    800X will get a 200 gr 10MM bullet moving pretty damn fast and the blast and flash will get attention. Like others said, it meters terribly so mine were all hand measured which is very time consuming in a handgun caliber.

    Never tried it in any of the calibers you listed though. Too many other better powders for them that meters better from a powder drop on my progressive press.
     
  15. brewer12345

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    I have used a bunch of it for 20 gauge. One of the nice things in 20 is that it produces relatively low pressures so you can load hotter hunting loads or simply have a greater margin of error. In shotshells I don't find the somewhat poorer metering to be an issue. If I ever get around to fooling around with it in 44 mag or 45 ACP I will be a lot more persnickety.
     
  16. Toprudder

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    As I understand it, 800X is primarily a shotgun powder that works well in some pistol applications (as do many of the shotgun powders).

    I've used it in 38 +P, 357mag and 45acp. As already mentioned, it does not meter well and the best variability I could get was +/- 0.2gn. However, I did notice that the change in velocity for a change in charge was not that great (in 45acp) and as long as you stay ~ 0.3gn below max, it is ok to use a standard powder measure. I still have a half pound left that I want to try in 10mm, I just have not gotten around to it yet.

    Nothing I have seen is as "blasty" as H110. So, yeah, it is relative! :) I noticed that similar velocity loads in 44 mag, comparing N-110 to H-110, that H-110 has a lot more noise and flash.
     
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    Yeah I tried H110 under some 180gr 44 Mag bullets and though I was going to set my hair on fire with it. Right now about the only thing I use H110 for is 410 shotshells and heavy 450Bushmaster. I do love Vihtavuori powders, my wallet does not, but their powders are nice to work with and clean burning. Sort of hard to find the last few years though. I have about 6 lbs of N320 I use in my 40S&W load for my USPSA Limited gun.
     
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  18. Birdhunter1

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    I use H110 in my 45 Colt with 250 gr bullets and it isn't that bad, yeah its a big boom going off but it isn't uncontrollable.
    Tell me about the Vihtavouri powder, N560 is hard to find and I just found some yesterday at a shop, this one was over $40 I do believe.
     
  19. Toprudder

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    VV powders are not hard to find where I am, there is a vendor that brings large inventory to the local gun shows. The real problem is the price of single pound containers, they are very high compared to other brands. There is a huge price break when buying the larger 4 or 5 pound containers, but it is still more expensive than other brands.
     
  20. Birdhunter1

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    I bet it it is the same guy who used to frequent the gun shows near where I am, I used to get it from him at $35 a pound. Its been a while since I got some but I stocked up then, I wasn't completely out of it but wanted more so I don't run out.
    The powder cost ans scarcity of N560 has me venturing to a new bullet/powder combo for my .243, so far I've found a combo I really like that by this time next year I should know whether I like it or not.
     
  21. Jesse Heywood

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    800-X is one of my favorite powders, but only for a few situations. Mainly in 45 Colt, 455 Webley and 357 Magnum. I have tried it in 380 ACP, 9x19 and 38 Spl. I would recommend you return it and tell them to put it where the sun don't shine, but powder is not returnable. There are many other powders that are far more suitable to your cartridges.
    That said, it is time to make lemonade.

    Here is a link to some old IMR manuals that have the data you are looking for. Be wary using old load data. Start at the low end and work up. Also, if you have a particular bullet and it is not listed on the Hodgdon website, email their techs and ask if they have any data. http://www.castpics.net/LoadData/Freebies/RM/IMR.html
     
  22. gunlaw

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    Works great in 10mm and 45 Colt.
     
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    I've used it in .357 loads, where is is a good power for 125 JHP's. I don't care about metering, as I use Lee dippers and a scale. It is a good handicap load powder for 12 ga., also.
     
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