High Court Considering Police Searches (He said NO, She said YES. They searched.)

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High Court Considering Police Searches
Posted: Monday April 18,2005 - 04:08:13 pm
http://story.news.yahoo.com/newstmp...0050418/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_police_searches

By HOPE YEN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Scott Randolph didn't want police to search his home after officers showed up to answer his wife's domestic disturbance call. Mrs. Randolph had no such reservations.


Janet Randolph not only let them in — she led officers to evidence later used to charge Randolph with drug possession.


The Supreme Court said Monday it will use the case to clarify when police can search homes. The high court previously has said searches based on a cohabitant's consent is OK, but it's not clear whether that applies when another resident is present and objects.


Lower courts are divided on the issue, with most holding that consent from one person is sufficient.


In another case the high court agreed to hear in the term beginning next October, justices will consider the scope of police questioning.


Under Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, the court has generally expanded government powers for police searches. Most recently, it ruled 6-2 that police may use drug dogs to sniff outside a car when a motorist is lawfully stopped, even if officers had no particular reason to suspect drug activity.


Mrs. Randolph called police on July 6, 2001, to report a disturbance and asked them to come to their house in Americus, Ga. The two had separated, but she moved back in two days earlier with Randolph's consent.


When police arrived, she complained that Randolph had taken away their son and had been using cocaine. A few minutes later, Randolph returned home and told police the son was at a neighbor's house.


Officers asked to search the couple's home, but Randolph objected. Mrs. Randolph, however, consented and led police to the couple's bedroom where officers saw a straw with white powder.


Mrs. Randolph later withdrew her consent, but police obtained a search warrant based on what officers saw earlier, seized 25 "drug-related" items and charged Scott Randolph with drug possession. A trial court upheld the searches, but a Georgia appeals court reversed it in a ruling the state Supreme Court affirmed last November.


In siding with Randolph, the courts ruled police must defer to an objecting occupant's position when two people have equal use and control of the home. They said police could not violate Randolph's privacy rights, particularly in a case where a feuding wife had consented over his objections.


"When possible, Georgia courts strive to promote the sanctity of marriage and to avoid circumstances that create adversity between spouses," the appeals court stated. "Allowing a wife's consent to search to override her husband's previous assertion of his right to privacy threatens domestic tranquility."


In their Supreme Court filing, Georgia prosecutors said the ruling "focuses arbitrarily on the rights of the objecting occupant, to the detriment of the consenting occupant who was trying to report a crime and who had just as much access and control over the home as her husband."


Randolph counters that states have the authority to give their citizens privacy rights that go beyond the U.S. Constitution. A husband's interest in privacy outweighs the wife's property right to allow a search, he argues.


According to court filings, three other states also have ruled that all cohabitants present must consent before police may search a home. They are Florida, Minnesota and Washington.


The case is Georgia v. Randolph, 04-1067.


Separately, the court said it will consider whether police went too far in questioning when officers taunted a murder suspect with the possibility of the death penalty after he invoked his right to an attorney.




A Maryland state court dismissed the case of Leeander J. Blake, saying his "Miranda" rights were violated.

Blake and Terrence Tolbert were charged with the Annapolis murder of Straughan Lee Griffin, who was shot in the head Sept. 19, 2002.

Blake, who was 17 at the time, initially refused to talk to police when he was arrested and taken to jail. When a police officer delivered a copy of the charging documents listing death as a possible penalty, another officer told Blake, "I bet you want to talk now, huh?"

About half an hour later, Blake told police he did want to talk to them and made incriminating statements about the murder without consulting a lawyer.

The Maryland state court ruled last year the statements couldn't be used at trial because Blake had invoked his constitutional right to be represented by a lawyer. The comment, "I bet you want to talk now, huh," was a functional equivalent of interrogation, the appeals court said.

The case is Maryland v. Blake, 04-373.
 
This could get interesting. What if I have company (say, my girlfriend), and she consents to the search? She's not listed on the deed, she has no right to consent--but how do the cops know? Do they perform the search, and later find out that it was illegal? Can I sue them? Can I sue her? This has the possibility to be a huge problem; the only solution is to require unanimous consent.
 
This reminds me of one of my younger sisters. She used to hang out with a troublesome girl.

Anyway this girl had a case of beer in my sister's car, who was underage at the time. My sister was in the store, the officer approached my sister's friend and asked if he could search the vehicle. Which of course her friend replied yes.

Long story short, my sister got the ticket for MIP. They offered a plea bargain deal to drop the charge if she pleaded some weird no contest deal. So she took the weenie way out and got probation for the next several months.

I was pissed, sister's girlfriend was a skunk, and got away with nothing. And I assume the cops negotiated the plea bargain, bacause if it went to court it wouldn't have been an easy kill.

Ah we'll never know. But I guess we will in this case.

Much as this guy seems like he should be busted, I would let him off.
 
I have to side with the husband on this one. If the woman is OK and talking with officers I see no need for them to search the house. On the other hand the woman will get him drug charges, but she will probably end up out on her @$$ cause the police will sieze the husbands property. (Don't get me started on THAT confict of interest. :banghead: )
 
Well certainly S. Randolph has standing to object, or the case wouldn't have gotten this far. However, unlike the example of a visiting GF given earlier, this was a resident of the house, and they shared equally in the area searched. Had this been a locked desk or closet for which only S. Randolph had the key, then J. Randolph could not give consent to search. However, as indicated the items were found in the shared bedroom of the couple.

This indeed will be interesting, as the previous rulings in Frazier v. Cupp and US v. Matlock, have determined if two (or more) share a premises or container, each assumes the risk the other will consent to a search. So I will be curious to see what the Court's decisions, and majority, and minority (if any) opinions will be.

Anyone have a link to the Circuit Court ruling in this case? I'd like to see if there are unique factors that would limit J. Randolph's ability to consent in this case.
 
The Supreme Court said Monday it will use the case to clarify when police can search homes.

Oh. Well. If that's the case, we should probably expect a ruling to the effect that if they feel it's in their best interests, cops can search any part of any house at any time for any reason or no reason at all—but we're not a police state, of course, because the cops sincerely have to believe it's in their best interests.

See? It's not like we've completely erased the Fourth Amendment, right?
 
So how do the police determine if the contraband was planted by the person giving consent, over the objections of the accused person?

In domestic disputes, it is not unusual for false allegations to be made by one party against the other party. This planting of evidence and calling the cops, then giving consent for a search, is a sure fire way of eliminating a domestic partner and taking possession of all the mutal property, and custody of children.

If I was an police officer and I found contraband in a search under those conditions, all of the occupants would be placed under arrest, and a forensics team called in to collect evidence.
 
The Supreme Court said Monday it will use the case to clarify when police can search homes.

I am sure the words "OFFICER SAFETY" will be in there somewhere.



Oh. Well. If that's the case, we should probably expect a ruling to the effect that if they feel it's in their best interests, cops can search any part of any house at any time for any reason or no reason at all—but we're not a police state, of course, because the cops sincerely have to believe it's in their best interests.

Double tap on that one
 
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I am not familiar with Frazier v. Cupp and US v. Matlock, but assuming they are US S.Ct. cases that read as DMF suggests, this is an issue of Georgia state constitutional interpretation. As Randolph (I assume through his attorney) asserts, GA is free to grat broader 4th amendment protection than the Federal Constitution.

Why is this case in front of the US Supreme Court? Anyone know the procedural posture?

Mark
 
Geez, some people like to whine just for the sake of whining. There is absolutely nothing presented that suggests the concept of "officer safety" was ever raised by the government as a factor in this case. It deals solely with whether one person may grant consent, over the objection of another, if they both share the area to be searched.

So all this whining about, "Officer Safety," and "their best interests," as a basis for a ruling that hasn't even come out yet, is just tinhatted nonsense.

Get a grip on reality.
 
Why is this case in front of the US Supreme Court?
Yet another reason I asked if anyone had a link to the Circuit Court ruling. I was hoping it would lead to some information on what preceded their ruling.

I can't find a GA v. Randolph case for the 11th Circuit on findlaw.com
 
It's not a federal case. It's appealed from the GA supreme court directly to the U.S. supreme court.

State v. Randolph, 278 Ga. 614, 604 S.E.2d 835, 2004 Ga. LEXIS 991 (2004)
S04G0674, November 8th, http://www.gasupreme.us/opinion_lists/op_nov04.html#1108

The Georgia Appeals Court decision citation is Randolph v. State, 264 Ga. App. 396 (590 SE2d 834) (2003), but it's not on the Appeals Court website yet... they seem to be a bit slow; they're only up to 263 Ga.

GA Appeals Court Decision
GA Supreme Court Decision

The supreme court briefs should be published shortly now that Cert's been granted.
 
Under Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, the court has generally expanded government powers for police searches.

Sadly yes. The 4th amendment is on the sick list.
 
i have a solution to the whole thing. don't beat your wife and don't do drugs. no police come in the first place to find your stash that you don't have. this guy did both and deserves to get busted. but, if you do have a stash in your house, its probably best not to draw attention to yourself from the police. like, y'know, don't hit your wife/SO. too bad stupidity isn't a crime. dunno if it will hold up in court but he should be in jail.

Bobby
 
i have a solution to the whole thing. don't beat your wife and don't do drugs. no police come in the first place to find your stash that you don't have. this guy did both and deserves to get busted
It doesn't say anywhere that he beat his wife - it says he took their son, and it turned out he was just at a friend's house. As for the coke, I know it's illegal but I don't see why it should be the government's business what habits or addictions people have. But beside that, in the U.S. we don't let police work rely on vindication.

Recognizing that both parties have rights to the property, no one is harmed by the police not searching, and the man is harmed by them searching.
 
Don't leave ANYTHING out that you don't want seen by ANYONE when you are not home,even for a minute... :banghead:
 
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