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High Court Rules Gov'ts Can Seize Property

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Nazirite, Jun 23, 2005.

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  1. Werewolf

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    He won't be able to change it much.

    The potential retirees are Rehnquist, O'Connor and I believe Kennedy.

    Of the three Rehnquist is conservative, Kennedy liberal and O'connor mostly conservative though her hormones get the better of her sometimes and she votes the socialist/liberal/gubmint route.

    It'd be nice to have all three retire but even if that happens it would only swing the court to 5-4 conservative from it's current 4-4-1 makeup.

    Of the three I don't see O'connor retiring. Rehnquists cancer seems to be being cured and he seems to want to hang in there. Kennedy at 85 is the one I would expect to hang up the robes but as a hard core liberal I imagine he'll try to stick it out until the next election.
     
  2. RevDisk

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    Thank ye. Think of it as a mild 'return on investment'. Your tax dollars helped train me in information warfare, so this is a small gift in return.

    No. I have a copy of NLDC's old website, somewhat. I used Google's cache to map it out. Very non-informative. The new website is apparently someone's database of near random information. Local HS stuff, camel information (uh...), medical test result passwords, etc. Nothing useful, I combed.

    Besides, unauthorized electronical trespass is illegal. I don't need to be illegal to do my work.


    My friend, when all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Not every war needs to be faught with bullets. I see 'em as a last resort that required because everything else has failed. Using bullets in this case would turn popular opinion/support, bring down the government, and likely cause the government to use more repressive measures on its citizens. That's bad. It may someday be necessary, but it's still bad.


    Still. Anyone know anyone in CT, preferably near New London? While I admit volunteering to dig through records or make photocopies is not exciting work, I could really use some help. I don't live near CT and my resources are limited.


    Edit : Excellent, their website is back on line. I can update the personnel rosters, which I had pieced together from old sources. More importantly, I snagged a copy of their by-laws. I previously thought I'd have to get a hardcopy by mail. Working, working...
     
  3. R.H. Lee

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    The only 'changes' Bush can make to the court is to make it even more leftist. Any other possible nominees will be vociferously opposed by the Democrats, and the Republicans have already demonstrated that they are completely impotent against the opposition. They will have done nothing but talk for 8 years, then they'll be replaced.
     
  4. 2nd Amendment

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    10,000 HOMES TO BE DEMOLISHED IN UK ​


    By Henry Lamb
    June 26, 2005
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    John Prescott, Deputy Prime Minister, told the House of Commons that 10,000 homes would be demolished in a $2 billion program to create "sustainable communities." This massive "Pathfinder" program has been adopted to transform the nation into sustainable communities, a major step toward compliance with goal seven of the U.N.'s Millennium Development Goals, and further implementation of the U.N.'s Agenda 21.

    A similar program is underway in the United States, but proponents are careful to deny that the U.N. has any influence or involvement. The facts tell a different story.

    In 1976, the United Nations Conference on Human Settlements (Habitat I), was held in Vancouver, British Columbia. Among the recommendations endorsed by the U.S., and adopted, are these:

    A(1)(b) All countries should establish as a matter of urgency a national policy on human settlements, embodying the distribution of population...over the national territory.

    (c)(v) Such a policy should be devised to facilitate population redistribution to accord with the availability of resources.

    D(1)(a) Public ownership or effective control of land in the public interest is the single most important means of...achieving a more equitable distribution of the benefits of development whilst assuring that environmental impacts are considered.

    (b) Land is a scarce resource whose management should be subject to public surveillance or control in the interest of the nation.
    (d) Governments must maintain full jurisdiction and exercise complete sovereignty over such land with a view to freely planning development of human settlements....

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Lamb/henry90.htm

    Interesting timing here, eh? Note, the problem with the UK is so many homes are actually owned by the gooberment outsiders don't know who owns what, even if the residents have lived there all their lives. That being said, it's safe to guess not all of these are state-"owned", that they are resided in and that those residents are about to be displaced for Agenda 21, something I keep mentioning around here.

    Agenda 21 and "Sustainable Development" are our future, if we fail to react agressively to the Kelo decision. if we take it lying down then hang on, folks...
     
  5. fjolnirsson

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    "Sustainable Development", :barf:

    the pace at which certain elements in the US are begining to resemble the UK is creepy.
     
  6. 2nd Amendment

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    Sustainable Development is another one of those things a certain segment of society will kn-jerk label "Conspiracy Theory, while most people just won't take note of it at all. I hope these latest SCOTUS abominations make enough people take notice of this crap, though. Hey, fj, updates on AP are underway, now, finally.
     
  7. ravinraven

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    "I of course am not advocating nor suggesting violence either." Me too, er,...ah, neither.

    If we can find these people fairly easily and know their schedules and routes, etc. why not have a grim reaper follow them around. Some old boy in a robe carrying a scythe [sp?]. Going out of your house and seeing the grim reaper standing across the street might give you the willies. Then go out to lunch with a business group and have the grim reaper sit down at the next table, etc.

    Then the cops come along and wind your reaper around your neck and it's back to the drawing board.

    just a thought.

    rr
     
  8. dasmi

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    We should exhaust all non-violent strategies first. But, contrary to the blissninny position, sometimes violence is the answer.
     
  9. NIGHTWATCH

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    Frankly, I don't understand how anyone who agrees with this ruling and would take advantage of it could be persuaded by anything BUT violence.

    As someone said somewhere in this thread, there is nothing to "get" about this ruling.

    The SCOTUS just said in very clear, plain english: "The government can take your home and give it to someone else and you have no say in the matter."

    Anyone who isn't instantly repulsed and enraged by that probably cannot be made to change their mind by any means except violence.

    How do you debate with someone like that? What would you say to convince them?

    If they don't just "get it," there is, IMO, nothing that we can say to convince them otherwise.

    Just like most antis: their mind is already made up and they do not want to be confused with the facts.

    Only the threat of violence will deter them, and those that are not deterred, well..........

    Am I wrong on this??

    I really don't want to have to worry about using the 2A, but I honestly do not see an alternative.

    Again, anyone who thinks it is A-OK to have the govt just TAKE somebody's home and GIVE it to someone else is beyond help.

    Am I wrong??

    :(
     
  11. Shweboner

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    I was shocked, well I should say, not surprised that there was no talk of this on talk radio today.

    I hit every station on the dial... Left, Right, whomever was on...


    Today's matters of grave importance?



    Carl Rove & Sen. Durbin.... and the things they say

    OH my! and the Ten Commandments! yes, thats is divide us, divide us!

    And this one... Tom Cruise and Scientology! Because we all care about that! ( although I do agree with his views on Psychology & over-prescribing drugs)

    Who gives a crap!!! Everytime I heard mention of the SCOTUS it was about GOD!
    The more they promote this crap, the more people will be divided... I dont care if you voted for Bush, or want to set him on fire... I dont care if you are Christian, Muslim, Scientologist, Liberal, Conservative, white, black, asian, indian.... YOUR HOME IS YOUR HOME!!!!!! And nobody seems to grasp what has happened here...


    But as I showed above... more important things have gone on recently. :banghead:
     
  12. 2nd Amendment

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    Brownfield was talking about it, when he wasn't wasting time on the Bannister case. I emailed and asked him if he'd actually looked at the Bannister decision and if so why he was even bothering with it. :rolleyes:
     
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    There was nothing else on the radio stations I listen to, Schweboner. Listened to it all the way to work and all the way home, and they all came to the same conclusion THR has.

    THIS IS BAD.

    I even started an argument at work about this, after finding out my boss didn't have a problem with this. He asserted that every use of Eminent Domain would be voted on by "the people," so if "the people" (meaning the 30 per cent of people who would vote, and the 10 per cent of that 30 per cent who would even know what the issue was) thought it was cool that Farmer Joe lost his acres of farmground so they had a Starbucks nearby, then we are in no danger. Idiot.

    When "the public good" has become more important than the individual, we might as well hang a hammer and sickle in front of the council chambers.
     
  15. tyme

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    Shweboner, in today's society, events are only newsworthy for a day. The decision was published last Thursday. As predicted in this thread and many other places, people just don't care anymore. A lot of the people who cared about it on Thursday cared only because it was "news." They're the same ones who could be found bemoaning shark attacks all day today.
     
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    "I even started an argument at work about this, after finding out my boss didn't have a problem with this."

    I think I would have beaten the s.o.b. to death right in the work place.

    I wrote Dubya a letter. The first paragraph is here:

    "I am astounded at the silence from the Whitehouse and other points within the beltway regarding the Supreme Court’s decision to end a citizen’s right to his own property. I was even more astounded to learn that three of the treasonous 'justices' are Republicans. The clincher was to listen to your Press Secretary say 'we respect their decision.' How in the world can anyone respect treason?"

    I wound up by asking how many of our soldiers fighting in Iraq will come home and find that their homes have been stolen for resale by the gov't

    If we let this issue die, America dies with it.

    I am building a gallows in my yard to be unveiled on 4 July. It'll have these filthy scum bags hanged in effigy with their crime detailed. Each bastid will have a name tag, etc. Somebody should come up with a "wanted: Dead or Alive" poster for circulation nationwide.

    There had better be a unit formed in each area where anti-American gov't officials are even contemplating a land grab. This unit will expose them, list their names on the web, list their children's names and schools. Let other kids work their kids over. Follow them where ever they go. If these legal things don't stop them. Then there is only one solution. If we don't do this, America is no more. Mark 23 June right up there with 7 December and 11 September. Maybe a poster with these three dates and the question "Which date did America the most damage?" or some such wording.

    We can't let this one die.

    Does anyone know if there will be any noise made in New London about this. I can get to that and help out.

    I wrote a letter to the RNC one paragraph of which is here:

    "That idiot of a Scott McClellan said 'we respect their ruling,' or words to that effect. The only proper reaction to these un-American anti-liberty thugs is to arrest them and try them for treason. Then send the bastards to me. Their proper punishment is to be chained naked to five posts, forced to eat a copy of the Bill of Rights and be stabbed in the back as they have stabbed America in the back until the last drop of their putrid blood soaks into the sand and their rotten breath is no more. These low lifes are worse than Mohammad Atta and his sky full of lunatics. At least they are doing no more damage to America. The streak of damage that these anti-American turds have visited upon America is only just beginning."

    And I wrote my congresscritter and told him his house was his as long as I didn't want it. I didn't waste time on the embarrassments who serve as Senators from here. NY. Hitlary and Chuckie Baby.

    I also told him that I could not think of words low enough or violent enough to describe my outrage.

    This is way over the top.

    rr
     
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    Groups Gear Up for Supreme Court Battle

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160855,00.html

    WASHINGTON — The fact than none of the Supreme Court justices tendered their resignations Monday does not mean that no one will. At least two justices, Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist (search) and Sandra Day O'Connor :cuss: (search), are widely thought to be considering retirement.

    With that expectation in mind, the armies are massing for battle on the Potomac. Activists on both sides are gearing up for a fight.

    "There will be two or three or four vacancies and that just underscores what's at stake for all sides.
    The law of the land for the next 30 years, maybe 40 years will be decided over the next three or four years," said Ralph Neas, president and CEO of People for the American Way.


    The current group of nine justices has served together for 11 years, the longest period without vacancies since 1823. Neas and his group have been studying potential nominees for the last four and half years, since President Bush was first elected.




    This could help us or hurt us in few years.
     
  18. romma

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    There Will Be A Protest

    Tuesday, July 5th at City Hall in New London on State st. at 6pm. I will be in attendance expressing my outrage. BTW, Thanks for the welcome. I have lurked for a while and would have figured my first post would be in auto-loaders but hey, this is where it is at today...
     
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  19. dasmi

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    Welcome to THR, romma.

    "The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence." - John Adams.
     
  20. Rebar

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    This is going to be the battle of the century. Bush better cowboy-up and fight hard, because the democrats are going to pull out every and all stops to keep him from appointing strict constructionalist judges. So far, he's been pretty lame in his support for his own appointments, so I don't know what's going to happen.
     
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    Sorry, but don't put your hopes in Bush. That traitor won't even secure the borders of our nation, while at the same time sending our best to fight and die for the security of another. Bush is a traitor, plain and simple. He will not help us.
     
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  22. UnintendedConsequences

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    You start with peaceful intentions....

    You start out with peaceful intentions. From there one may have to resort to less than peaceful intentions.

    What is certain is that if you have enough people left with nothing else to lose, there is little that can be done to inhibit them. And if even a few people are upset enough, there can be very dire consequences to the condemnations or lack of respect for private property.

    I can think of many common materials that have multiple purposes and are passively aggressive in that they only damage property to a repairable extent, though at some expense. I'm not going to share them, but I'm sure people can figure out for themselves what items they are. Granted, I don't advise using them. But if one does, they would seem to be less aggressive than using bullets.

    Those who say that the officials or law enforcement officers are just doing their jobs, recall that such a defense was not accepted at the Nuremberg trials. Either those in government or related agencies respect the Constitution and Natural Rights or they will be dealt with upon violating them.

    I don't want to see blood in the streets, but if there is no hope for good and justice to save the day, what is there to stop it.?
     
  23. dasmi

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    Sometimes violence is good and justice working themselves out.
     
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    How many of the current justices were empowered by Republican Presidents?

    Hell, man, its a shell game. The democrats vs the republicans are the same scam they use on the prison populations, encouraging hispanics to fight the whites, and the whites to fight the blacks. They're worried about fighting the other inmates and don't plot against the guards. We've had the immediate family members in one of the top two positions in the country/world since 1980.

    Good news is the government is obviously now required to provide for economic development. ("Promoting economic development is a traditional and long accepted function of government," Stevens wrote.)

    Anyone recently displaced by outsourcing jobs to India care to sue the feds over failing to "Promote peconomic development"?

    Free America
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    July 4, 1776 - June 23, 2005
     
  25. Rebar

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    And put my hopes, where? The democratic party, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton? Aren't we still fighting Bill Clinton's war in Bosnia? When have the democrats done or said anything about the border? Why aren't they traitors, hmmm?

    You have a very selective memory my friend.
     
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