High(er) end or Brand name firearm disappointments.

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Not my experience, but I've heard a lot of HK owners complain and go through buyer's remorse. There was a dude I knew in a gun group and he said the USP wasn't as great as it was said to be.

I've never personally owned an HK, but that's because I think spending $1k or more on an antiquated design with no real modern application is a poor financial decision.
 
Not my experience, but I've heard a lot of HK owners complain and go through buyer's remorse. There was a dude I knew in a gun group and he said the USP wasn't as great as it was said to be.

I've never personally owned an HK, but that's because I think spending $1k or more on an antiquated design with no real modern application is a poor financial decision.
There are plenty of guns that are really nice, but I can't really justify spending the extra $400 on. To your point.

The S&W M&P or Glock style service caliber guns may not be the prettiest or nicest firearms that exist in their class, but they absolutely are sufficient for what they are intended for. And they are in the $600 range not $800 or $1000.
 
Like CaptCurt, I, too had a Kimber 84m Select Grade that sucked swamp water. Long story short, after enduring the infamous Kimber customer (non-)service, it was returned to me in a different caliber that still struggled to shoot 1-1/2" groups at 100 yards. Sold it and bought a Tikka for half the money that also shoots half the group size.
My Mauser M18 in .243 Win. shoots 1/4" groups. What's not to like in a $400 rifle?

Edited to correct spelling that was corrected by auto correct. EEEGAADS!!
 
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I really like my hk usp compact and my hk usp elite. Not sure what is antiquated about the design. I also have a Glock 41 with a reflex sight, is that more modern?

One great feature of the hk usps I own is that I could sell them for more than I paid after having shot them for years.
 
H&K USP .45.

Stay safe.
Yeah, when I first started shooting handguns as a pup, my uncle had a HK USP and that was the handgun I mostly started shooting with and because he told me how much it cost, I thought that meant it was a great gun. Since I didn't have a great frame of reference because I'd only shot a few different handguns when I was between 10-15 years old I just thought I wanted that gun, and that when I was older I was gonna get me one.

Well, after shooting lots of different handguns I finally wound up being honest with myself and what I really thought about that HK and have never had any desire to own one since, nostalgia, nothing more. Except the last time my uncle and I shot, I shot a few magazines through it for old times sake and it just reaffirmed my decision to go with others, I like the gun because I had a lot of fun shooting it as a kid, but from a practical standpoint.......I hate the USP.
 
Yeah, when I first started shooting handguns as a pup, my uncle had a HK USP and that was the handgun I mostly started shooting with and because he told me how much it cost, I thought that meant it was a great gun. Since I didn't have a great frame of reference because I'd only shot a few different handguns when I was between 10-15 years old I just thought I wanted that gun, and that when I was older I was gonna get me one.

Well, after shooting lots of different handguns I finally wound up being honest with myself and what I really thought about that HK and have never had any desire to own one since, nostalgia, nothing more. Except the last time my uncle and I shot, I shot a few magazines through it for old times sake and it just reaffirmed my decision to go with others, I like the gun because I had a lot of fun shooting it as a kid, but from a practical standpoint.......I hate the USP.
I don’t hate the USP, but I was really disappointed in it. So much so I sold it pretty quickly to a fellow officer and moved on without a backwards glance. :)

Stay safe.
 
I wouldn´t say that I really own any high end guns. Other than my WWII era milsurp collection, which is growing to be almost slightly impressive now, Rugers, used S&W pre model 10´s, Savages, Mossburgs, CZs, and the like are my go-to. I haven´t been disappointed yet really. Well except for a 91ts Italian Carcano. I merely hoped it would hold something resembling a group to 100 yards. It does not. I´ve seen better buckshot patterns at similar distances than this thing can do. And my only expectation from it was to get 5 rounds in a 6" group @ 100, as that would be sufficient for deer hunting and it quite the lightweight handy rifle. Nope, double that 6" for probably it´s best group.

Not a high end gun though, so not really relevant.
 
Some will say this is sacrilege, but I was disappointed in a Sako. Granted it was a cheap (for a Sako, anyway) A7 with a synthetic stock chambered in .243 Win. I saw it on sale in an ad for Cabelas in Post Falls, ID, and called them to see if they could hold one for me, as I had to drive from Kennewick. They promised to hold one for 48 hours, as I excitedly drove the 2 1/2 hours to pick it up. Got it home, got a scope on it and out to the range. Accuracy was okay, almost as good as my Stevens 200 in .243 that I had acquired earlier for less than half of what I paid for the Sako (including the Rifle Basics trigger and Hogue recoil pad I had added to the Stevens later). But the 60 degree bolt throw was so stiff, my wife could barely work it and the Sako seemed too light to shoot decently off hand. I was glad to sell it and invest the money in reloading components. Still have the Stevens, and it is still shooting great, including my only antelope a couple years ago in Montana. 2AA9D13F-EDA5-4106-B8B1-89F0DB19A7B1.jpeg
 
but anything made by CZ is overrated
Wow. I have two CZ rifles that I’d put up against most guns 2-3x their price in terms of accuracy.

When the obligatory every month or two “what .22 rifle should I buy” pops up, there’s IMO a valid reason that CZ is recommended far more than any other brand

I have zero experience with their handguns

YMMV

When this Jeep inevitably dies, I'll be looking for another just like it. My 3rd XJ that's went beyond 300k miles.
My last XJ went 318,000. Never had a significant issue. Sold it really cheap to a good friend’s son who got another 100,000. Finally rusted out but was still running great.

I have a 2021 Wrangler Rubicon now. It’s my ninth Jeep

It seems that many manufacturers go through the “buy out, then sell out the name” sooner or later. For example, back in my youth Black & Decker was THE tool line to own. Absolutely top end. Then they got bought out by an investment group and they ruined the name by making really low quality products but living off the name.

This has happened to various firearms makers (Remington immediately comes to mind). Winchester in the mid 60’s.
 
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Wow. I have two CZ rifles that I’d put up against most guns 2-3x their price in terms of accuracy.

When the obligatory every month or two “what .22 rifle should I buy” pops up, there’s IMO a valid reason that CZ is recommended far more than any other brand

I have zero experience with their handguns

YMMV

My last on (XJ) went 318,000. Never had a significant issue. Sold it really cheap to a good friend’s son who got another 100,000. Finally rusted out but was still running great.

I have a 2021 Wrangler Rubicon now. It’s my ninth Jeep

It seems that many manufacturers go through the “buy out, then sell out the name” sooner or later. For example, back in my youth Black & Decker was THE tool line to own. Absolutely top end. Then they got bought out by an investment group and they ruined the name by making really low quality products but living off the name.

This has happened to various firearms makers (Remington immediately comes to mind). Winchester in the mid 60’s.
I like Jeep's, but I think some of the v-8 ones didn't last as long. My Cherokee sure didn't. It died at about 130,000 miles. It was a 98 I think, so that may have changed. But, a lot of 90's and before V-8's didn't last that long. Perhaps sufficient at 100,000 miles.
 
Springfield 1911. Pos couldn't get it to work. Tried different ammo, mag's, even sent it in. Never worked. This was years upon years ago. So maybe they got things worked out. Will never buy another ti find out.
Hmm, I have had my brand new ($599 on GB of all places) Mil-Spec for about 6 months and it has worked great with ball and JHP 230gr ammo. I have mec gar mags and they work flawlessly, and I saw a 15rd promag at a gun show and thought it would be a good function drill mag, and I was surprised when I was able to mag dump as fast as I could pull the trigger!
I have just gotten to reading this thread so I apologize for the thread grave digging lol.
 
Not my experience, but I've heard a lot of HK owners complain and go through buyer's remorse. There was a dude I knew in a gun group and he said the USP wasn't as great as it was said to be.

I've never personally owned an HK, but that's because I think spending $1k or more on an antiquated design with no real modern application is a poor financial decision.
I had a H&K USPc40 and it was a joy to shoot, but I recently sold it and got a brand new Sig P320 40sw with night sights and 3 mags for $570 and used the extra money on a 1791 IWB holster and 5 boxes of Remington 25-06 ammo.
 
My biggest disappointment, before I spent any money, was an H&K SOCOM. I lusted for one of these for some time. Came across one, unfired, at an LGS. I have small hands, was I disappointed when I held it and the grip frame was just to large for me to find a comfortable way to grip the gun of my dreams.
 
Browning.

Bought a new SA22 from them recently and the sights are at a 10° or so offset to the barrel. Horrible. Still waiting for them to send it back, it’s been 3 months.

That is surprising to me on both counts. Sorry about your rifle. The SA-22 is one dandy little rifle (usually).

I have never been disappointed by any of the brands of firearms I own, until just recently when I purchased what I considered a top of the line purchase from Smith And Wesson performance center. I bought the Model 41 and was ready to do a comparison accuracy test with my Browning Buckmark and was not able to do it as the Model 41 would not feed any of the ammo I had. It was disappointing since I saved for over 2 1/2 years to buy it and the most I could shoot was 10 rounds before I had to send it back a few weeks ago. I sure hope they can fix it.

In my experience, the Model 41 is very picky about what ammunition it feeds. I wanted to buy one at one point, but I've decided to just shoot my friend's instead. Buck Marks are not picky about what they feed, and they're more accurate than I am.
 
A Walther PPK/s.
The slide kept relieving me of a good portion of skin off the web of my right hand every time I fired it.
 
I have never been really disappointed with any of my firearms I have purchased. I do feel that some are a better value than others. My favorite has to be my k98 of my older rifles for now. As far as new purchases I feel like my howa was a very good value. That being said I really can't bring myself to spend massive amounts of cash on a single gun for the fear that I won't like it.

That's me all over. Can't stand the thought of spending big money (a relative thing) on something and then not liking it. Much rather have a lower/mid range gun and tweak it to my liking.

As to name brand guns that that disappointed, all are Rugers, all mid-90's. A P90 with the decocking safety: 20 rounds, regardless of ammo selection, would foul the safety so that once decocked (engaging the safety), it couldn't be released. Since everything worked fine when the gun was clean, Ruger didn't see a problem. And two 77/22's, one LR and one Hornet. Both very nicely made and function well, but don't shoot great. As I now understand from these forums a function of the rear-locking bolt and Ruger's loose chambering standards. After the better part of 30 years with them, they are both, right now, at CPC getting some magic done.
 
I've owned multiple S&W, Ruger, Dan Wesson and Colt DA/SA revolvers and I can't say I've been disappointed with any of them. I did have one new Ruger GP100 that had a barrel replaced after 1 1/2yrs and an SP101 that went back for a trigger problem but Ruger fixed both no charge. I don't have unrealistic expectations of any new product I buy these days but I don't buy very high end anything. If I were to buy guns that cost several thousand dollars each I would expect near perfection and more likely to be disappointed.
 
The US issue M9 pistol, the numerous Kimber 1911 pistols that were returned to the shop where I worked (in spite of the fact that both of mine work fine), Auto Ordnance 1911 (my first 1911) that constantly jammed and the rear sight fell off of after about 100 rounds, Remington 700's that may or may not randomly fire, later Remington 700's of questionable quality and performance, the Ruger mini 14 (costs too much for the product), the US issue MK13 sniper rifle (short service life), and the US issue M60 machine gun (unreliable, numerous design flaws, short service life).
 
Almost every single firearm I've ever purchased has had some type of problem right out of the box! Fortunately I'm savvy enough to fix them and move along with a then perfect gun, but it makes me wonder how anyone just buys a new gun that works perfectly straight from the box.

Just a few examples below of guns I had purchased brand new, with problems that were either immediately apparent, or cropped up on the first range visit:

Ruger LCP:
The extractor spring had been cut out of spec at the factory by the assembly worker. The gun had FTE problems right out of the box. I eventually found this problem, and replaced the spring with a new unmodified factory spring that I properly installed (without cutting it!). The problem went away, and the gun has been great ever since.
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S&W M&P Shield 45:
Right out of the box, the gun would sometimes have a FTF once per mag. This was an early production Shield 45, and the early mag followers did not have a cut-out in the side to allow them to move past the mag release catch when moving up the mag tube. This would result in them snagging, slowing down slightly, and not presenting the round fast enough for the slide to strip it off. S&W eventually realized this, and redesigned the 45 mag followers with this cut-out molded in. I let them know I was having this problem, and they sent me some of the new followers to install. The problem went away after that!
There was also a burr on the takedown lever, which was chewing up the rear face of the recoil spring and actually causing it to bend out of shape. I found this burr, filed it off, and ordered a new spring from S&W. Again, perfect ever since!
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S&W M&P Shield 9mm:
S&W was effing up the spring temper on their mag springs for a period of time, and my new Shield 9mm was one of them... the springs bent out of shape and were not working properly after the very first range trip! I didn't want to bother with more S&W springs, so I just ordered some from Wolff Gunsprings instead. Also, the little pressure-fit cap on the end of the recoil spring was not pressed in fully, and went flying out when shooting. I noticed it was not fully seated when I got it, and figured that wouldn't last long. I had to order a new recoil spring from S&W that was properly made, meaning that little end cap is fully seated. ~6k rounds later, and that little gun is still perfect!
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Ruger Redhawk 44 Mag:
The crush-fit barrel was not indexed properly. I first noticed this when I had to drift my windage all the way over just to get on paper! I had to send the gun back to Ruger, where they properly indexed the barrel to center.
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Walther PPK - new production:
Right out of the box I was consistently having light primer strikes on the DA trigger. The trigger had a rough clicky spot mid-way through the DA pull, it was locking back with rounds still in the mag, and the red paint flaked off just by lightly touching it. In short, for a ~750 dollar gun it was a mess.

-I replaced the original factory hammer spring with an aftermarked factory standard hammer spring from Wolff Gunsprings - never had another light strike since then.
-The trigger rough click was because the seam of the roll pin in the hammer was actually snagging on the hammer strut during its movement. I had to remove the hammer, remove that roll pin, and reposition the seam of the roll pin so that only the smooth part made contact with the hammer strut. After being reassembled, that gun now has a smooth-as-silk trigger all the way through the length of pull.
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-To fix the slide lock, I put a slight angled cut on the slide catch to prevent it from snagging when it's not supposed to (pic below). This was after trying 2 other slide catches from Walther, that all gave me the same problem!
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-I also repainted the red parts, after properly cleaning with acetone.

After finally getting all these bugs worked out, the trigger bar snaps in half while shooting!! .... so I replaced that as well. I think it's finally perfect at this point, the new trigger bar was a different shade of metal, so I'm assuming a different (hopefully better) heat treatment. It has been working thus far (knock on wood).


S&W Model 642:
This gun had a very sloppy crown, it was rough and not concentric with the bore... I recrowned it myself. You can see the difference here below.
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NAA 22 Short:
Just like my 642, another case of a sloppy crown. I redid that one also. The crown is a very important component to a gun's inherent accuracy, so I hate to see this part botched on any gun. Even if it's a short barrel gun that is difficult to shoot.
In addition, the front sight went flying off while shooting at the range the first time. I JB-Welded it back on.

^With these experiences, I don't understand how the norm is to actually buy a gun that works reliably, and is properly made, right out of the box! Lol

Had I not been able to fix these problems, my experiences with brand name firearms would be one of endless disappointments.
 
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In my experience, the Model 41 is very picky about what ammunition it feeds. I wanted to buy one at one point, but I've decided to just shoot my friend's instead. Buck Marks are not picky about what they feed, and they're more accurate than I am.[/QUOTE]

Well I got it back and fired several different brands of ammo. The wolf match ammo did not work with this gun. I realize that when it comes to semi auto handguns shooting standard velocity or subsonic ammo, that this ammo may not cycle the actions on many semi-autos. So for the moment I will continue to shoot high velocity 40 grain rounds on the 41 until I break it in. In the meantime, this gun is a laser and a joy to shoot. The accuracy equals my browning buckmark, but in all fairness I have been shooting the buckmark 30 years more than the 41 and am used to it.
 
Not my experience, but I've heard a lot of HK owners complain and go through buyer's remorse. There was a dude I knew in a gun group and he said the USP wasn't as great as it was said to be.

I've never personally owned an HK, but that's because I think spending $1k or more on an antiquated design with no real modern application is a poor financial decision.

I get that for the USP, especially the 45 and most especially the MK 23. Let alone the insane prices their long guns go for.

But I got my two for just a bit more than a Glock or Sig 320 costs, and quite a bit less than a hammer Sig goes for, last year even. I’ve been quite happy with the pair, Hk45, P2000, P30 and VP9 all can be had for pretty standard prices if you look around.

Almost every single firearm I've ever purchased has had some type of problem right out of the box

That’s very sad and bad luck! I’ve only had out of box issues with two guns of all I’ve owned and both were easily fixed, extractor tension adjustments, 1911 problems.
 
Only gun was a Sig 226,its also the only gun I have ever had to send in to fix. It never was fixed to my satisfaction. Sold it to a guy and let him know it was a problem gun
 
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