High New Holster concern

[Sam1911]

That's interesting coming from a moderator and unexpected. Rude and obnoxious would be something else that comes to mind. In 17 years on forums that has not happened from someone who is a "moderator".

Really? Well gosh. And I'm usually the nice one!

I did not mean to be rude in any way. I offered honest advice. Postings like this are permanent. They really don't get erased so this is entirely the face you're showing the world, for good. If you've been on other forums for 17 years, I sincerely and in friendship hope that all those other public interactions push the balance far in the other direction and that folks won't be too badly swayed by what they've read here.

I am not a CS or marketing rep. I am in the factory, always. I happened to set up all of our sewing machines from an Adler to a Juki to a Campbell (needle/awl setup).

Ok, thank you for answering that. I do appreciate it. From the way you spoke it kind of seemed like you might be more on the front office side and less involved in the actual process. I was mistaken and I apologize.

A sewing machine can be adjusted to throw any stitch length you want. Etc.

Yes, yes, good heavens. I've used sewing machines before. I understand passing well how they work. They are not de facto ANY more "accurate" than hand stitched anything.

Sam, please take a bit more time in formulating your responses. This is your reputation you're holding up to light and you are a moderator, one who represents the forum?

Yes. And I'll speak honestly and plainly, and while showing you no discourtesy.

Why do you think Red has aligned himself with us? He could pick anyone in the industry. Just a little more food for thought Sam.

There might be many names that could be placed in the list of "the greatest holster makers" and Mr. Nichols may deserve to be on that list. Why exactly he chose to associate with you you haven't said and I can't speculate. Will he speak to the current question? Is this holster in question representative of his level of work? Does he stand behind it?

 

[CraigC]

Craig you know the only way to start a new design is make a pattern and then hand cut the holster. I know you know that? I hope you do. Yours posts are misleading at best. Of course we, High Noon and I have to work without dies and presses for new designs.

I know but I have no idea of what your experience and expertise REALLY is. All I have are the words on the screen and some very unflattering pictures of your company's work. Fact is, you have not done much hand work. You do not know how hand stitching compares to machine stitching and all your thrice-quoted statements about hand stitching are incorrect.

I never said hand was inferior.

Really???

Its very hard to do that by hand on a consistent basis on a large number of holsters, more then 2.

Also, sewing machine thread tension can be tightened or loosened to affect the needle's thread or the bobbin's thread. It's very difficult to control this by hand stitching, from my experience you get some stitches that look OK but are really loose. The machines thread tension is way more consistent than by hand stitching.

Try taking a hand stitched product apart and then a machine stitched product apart. Only then you will understand what I am saying. Machine is a stronger more consistent stitch.

This is the third time I've quoted this. If that doesn't state that hand stitching is inferior, I don't know how it could be any more clear.

 

[rcmodel]

That HN holster is so wrong, I don't know where to start.

So I will let CraigC do it.
He is doing a dang good job so far!

I used to make a lot of holsters & knife sheaths, hand stitched and all.

And I would never ever on a really bad day let something like that High Noon get past my scrap leather junque box!!!

The stitching is not tight, the sight protector is Way off-center, much further then normal leather stretch could ever account for.

And it just plain does not look like a hand-stitched or machine-sewn custom holster in any regard at all.

I would have been ashamed to sell something like that to a customer, or even give it away with my name on it!!

Why don't you just chalk it up to a factory workers Monday morning mistake, and send the guy another holster that is made like a custom holster should be made??

rc

 

[High Noon Holsters]

Really? Well gosh. And I'm usually the nice one!

I did not mean to be rude in any way. I offered honest advice. Postings like this are permanent. They really don't get erased so this is entirely the face you're showing the world, for good. If you've been on other forums for 17 years, I sincerely and in friendship hope that all those other public interactions push the balance far in the other direction and that folks won't be too badly swayed by what they've read here.

Ok, thank you for answering that. I do appreciate it. From the way you spoke it kind of seemed like you might be more on the front office side and less involved in the actual process. I was mistaken and I apologize.

Yes, yes, good heavens. I've used sewing machines before. I understand passing well how they work. They are not de facto ANY more "accurate" than hand stitched anything.

Yes. And I'll speak honestly and plainly, and while showing you no discourtesy.

There might be many names that could be placed in the list of "the greatest holster makers" and Mr. Nichols may deserve to be on that list. Why exactly he chose to associate with you you haven't said and I can't speculate. Will he speak to the current question? Is this holster in question representative of his level of work? Does he stand behind it?

No problem, we most likely took that all wrong.

Alex

 

[High Noon Holsters]

I know but I have no idea of what your experience and expertise REALLY is. All I have are the words on the screen and some very unflattering pictures of your company's work. Fact is, you have not done much hand work. You do not know how hand stitching compares to machine stitching and all your thrice-quoted statements about hand stitching are incorrect.



Really???

This is the third time I've quoted this. If that doesn't state that hand stitching is inferior, I don't know how it could be any more clear.

As I said before, I think we should talk about 9mm vs 45 we will make progress, LOL. My words on the screen are knowledgeable and my experience in the industry is vast.

Alex

 

[CraigC]

So I will let CraigC do it.
He is doing a dang good job so far!

Thank you!!!

My words on the screen are knowledgeable and my experience in the industry is vast.

Your holster looks cheap and your words about hand stitching are wrong.

 

[rcmodel]

my experience in the industry is vast.

Well, your experience with customer relations, sales, and advertising must not be nearly as vast as your expertise with hand stitching.

BTW: You are aware that vast exposure to leather dye fumes is bad.
Mkayyyy?

rc

 

[High Noon Holsters]

That HN holster is so wrong, I don't know where to start.

So I will let CraigC do it.
He is doing a dang good job so far!

I used to make a lot of holsters & knife sheaths, hand stitched and all.

And I would never ever on a really bad day let something like that High Noon get past my scrap leather junque box!!!

The stitching is not tight, the sight protector is Way off-center, much further then normal leather stretch could ever account for.

And it just plain does not look like a hand-stitched or machine-sewn custom holster in any regard at all.

I would have been ashamed to sell something like that to a customer, or even give it away with my name on it!!

Why don't you just chalk it up to a factory workers Monday morning mistake, and send the guy another holster that is made like a custom holster should be made??

rc

We did offer him an upgrade on us a day or so ago. Had he got the email this thread would not be here.

Alex

 

[High Noon Holsters]

Your holster looks cheap and your words about hand stitching are wrong.

Some advice if you are teachable at all. Never get involved with another makers work, leave that for the customers and the maker to solve. You are out of line and it makes you look like an amateur, but then again you don't really have manors or even know the industry very well.

We understand you do everything by hand and will defend hand stitching to the end. We were not knocking your business at all, I think that's the way you took it.

Over 9,000 posts............... lots of free time, I would like to see you make more holsters, but that post count says it all.

Alex

 

[rcmodel]

Over 9,000 posts............... lots of free time,

Ohhh!

That's not a very High Road thing to say for a guy with 35 posts!!

Some of us do have very high post counts.

Some of us have time on our hands we have no control over due to age, family issues, or sickness you have no knowledge of.

I can assure you sir, some of us wish we didn't have all that time on our hands, and could do something else like go shooting, or make knives again, or do leatherwork again!

All you are doing now is digging a deeper hole for yourself and your company with some of us.

rc

 

[YourAlterEgo]

"We did offer him an upgrade on us a day or so ago. Had he got the email this thread would not be here. "

Thanks for the how to properly post comment earlier. I do not believe you have ever emailed me anything other that what I have posted. Please post the email if I am mistaken. I have have had 1 email in about 20 years that supposedly showed up late (to question my "internet" know how is.. I really did LOL). This thread would not be here if HNH would have at least ingauged me in some sort real of conversation about how to make this okay, instead of waving your hand like you are a Star Wars Jedi "There is no problem here".

Your arguing with more established members than me (as you pointed out), concerns me.

I don't need an upgrade to horse. What I was offered, via your website, I paid for and what I was willing/able to spend at the time of purchase.

I am very surprised you have not contacted me via email if you intentions are true. At this point, I'm.. nerves about what I may receive in return if I exchanged it.

Your last reply to me in this thread felt like an additional kick in the nuts.

I am not a High Noon Holster hater as you eluded to earlier.. Why would I fork over, over $100 in the hopes you would send me an off holster, just so I could ask if the people reading this would be okay with it?

 

[High Noon Holsters]

I am going to skip the bells and whistles again and fix the problem. As posted, I asked you to get a return number so we could get this going. Just email us.

The upgrade to horse is on us, its free.

Alex

 

[armoredman]

I apologize for not mentioning that the pictured sight track holster was a "factory second"- only way I
could get one on my paycheck! I'm happy with it, and it really shows little wear for as much as it is used.
I stand by what I have said, that I have had nothing but great products and service from
High Noon Holsters. I am no expert in anything, (just ask my wife! ), but every
rig I've received from them has always exceeded my expectations. I look forward to
a new rig from them soon.
Having said that, it behooves me to say to Craig, nice holster, sir.

 

[High Noon Holsters]

Ohhh!

That's not a very High Road thing to say for a guy with 35 posts!!

Some of us do have very high post counts.

Some of us have time on our hands we have no control over due to age, family issues, or sickness you have no knowledge of.

I can assure you sir, some of us wish we didn't have all that time on our hands, and could do something else like go shooting, or make knives again, or do leatherwork again!

All you are doing now is digging a deeper hole for yourself and your company with some of us.

rc

I was speaking to CraigC not everyone. The point being you are not a holster maker, if CraigC was busier, he would have no time to post. That's from one maker to another.

I did not say a high post count was bad, you took that the wrong way. In fact a high post count is good you enjoy the forum.

Alex

 

[High Noon Holsters]

I apologize for not mentioning that the pictured sight track holster was a "factory second"- only way I
could get one on my paycheck! I'm happy with it, and it really shows little wear for as much as it is used.
I stand by what I have said, that I have had nothing but great products and service from
High Noon Holsters. I am no expert in anything, (just ask my wife! ), but every
rig I've received from them has always exceeded my expectations. I look forward to
a new rig from them soon.
Having said that, it behooves me to say to Craig, nice holster, sir.

Yes there we go, we have our answer, we do sell proto types and seconds. Close outs are up there now http://www.highnoonholsters.com/Close_Outs/close_outs.html

Alex

 

[Rule3]

I am going to skip the bells and whistles again and fix the problem. As posted, I asked you to get a return number so we could get this going. Just email us.

The upgrade to horse is on us, its free.

Alex

Well there you go, that is all the Company can do. Sounds like a fine solution and an end to the whole long drawn out discussion. Should have been a lot sooner (Maybe it was with the "lost e mail", only the OP knows)

Just think of how many holsters could have been made or corrected the OP's holster in the time spent on all the posting.

 

[9mmepiphany]

I think we've come to the end of this discussion.

OP had a concern, the manufacturer has offered to address it