Highjacking Dry Run?

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I found this disturbing article on World Net Daily's webpage. I thought I would share it with you and ask what action, if any, we should take, if any one of us were on this flight...


WND Exclusive TRAIL OF TERROR
Are officials hiding details in hijacking 'dry run'?
Airline silent on witness' testimony of mock shootings aboard plane
Posted: December 06, 2009
2:20 am Eastern

Michael Carl
© 2009 WorldNetDaily


Dr. Keith Robinson

Testimony of a passenger in the gate of Nov. 17 AirTran Flight 297 suggests the airline may be deliberately leaving out key details of an onboard incident that affirm widespread speculation the flight was the subject of a "dry run" by Muslim terrorists.

Dr. Keith Robinson, a Houston, Texas, chaplain who occasionally works through the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, told WND he is standing by his written account of the incident, which includes testimony that a passenger told him Arabic men sang, danced and pretended to shoot the other passengers before the plane was returned to the gate.

None of these details have been addressed in AirTran's account of what happened aboard Flight 297.

As WND reported, an e-mailed account of an incident aboard the flight bound from Atlanta to Houston told of a dozen Arabic men causing a disturbance aboard the jet as it taxied to the runway, ultimately prompting pilots to return to the gate.

The author of the e-mail, Tedd Petruna of Houston, created a media and Internet firestorm with his account of what happened on the plane:

"If this wasn't a dry run, I don't know what one is. The terrorists wanted to see how TSA would handle it, how the crew would handle it, and how the passengers would handle it," he wrote. "I'm telling this to you because I want you to know. … The threat is real. I saw it with my own eyes."

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Since then, AirTran has released a line-by-line rebuttal of Petruna's email, in which it further asserts that according to flight manifests, Petruna wasn't even aboard the flight he claimed to witness.

The official version of the Transportation Security Administration says that the plane returned to the gate because an unruly passenger refused to end a cell phone conversation.

Robinson's testimony, however, suggests there is more to the story.

(Story continues below)




Robinson, who was in the gate watching his plane presumably leave without him, says the jet then returned after a 30-minute wait, and a number of passengers and airline employees were visibly upset.

"Over the next 30 minutes officials from AirTran started arriving at the gate, flashing their badges and going down to the plane," Robinson said. "After 6-7 officials exited the door, suddenly it flew open and 12-15 people from the flight hurried off the plane. Anger and fear was etched on their faces as they jerked their carry-ons and tore into their computer bags to schedule another flight out of Atlanta."

Robinson spoke with a passenger who had gotten off AirTran Flight 297, and the passenger said a number of Middle Eastern men had made a scene on the plane.

"One gentleman confronted the gate agent demanding his luggage be removed from the flight. As I spoke to him, he related that when Flight 297 left the concourse the first time, it began taxiing to take off. Then approximately 12 men of Middle Eastern appearance stood up and began dancing and singing in an Arabic dialect," the chaplain relates.

"They refused to be seated when directed to do so by the flight attendants. Then, the singing stopped and some of the men took out their cell phones and began taking pictures of the other individual passengers. Again, the men were ordered to be seated by the flight crew and refused while continuing to take their pictures. Next, the de‐boarded passenger related that a few of the men gestured with imaginary guns as their fingers, indicating with their triggering action that they would shoot the people on the plane," Robinson explains.

Robinson continues, "The flight crew declared an emergency, and the plane returned to the concourse. The 12 men were taken to another area of the airport and questioned. It is my understanding that their luggage was removed and checked. Then, 10 of the men were allowed to get back on the plane. That's when the 12-15 passengers decided that they wanted to get off that plane and take other flights. This ordeal had gone on approximately 2 hours to this point."

Robinson boarded the plane and continues his story first-hand:

"When I boarded the plane, the air was tense and filled with emotion. Many of the passengers were obviously upset," Robinson relates.

"Although my seat was 22D, I moved to the back of the plane to gain a better view of any actions that might take place in front of me. Some of the Middle Eastern men were in the business class area, and the remainder was seated in the back of the plane. They spoke only Arabic, and I did not understand what they were saying, although a strange burst of laughter would erupt as they spoke," Robinson observes.

"I struggled to see if these men were merely tragically toying with the emotions of the other American passengers or if they intended to do more," Robinson concludes.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported that AirTran and TSA officials determined the problem was a language barrier and "allowed the man and 12 others traveling with him to re-board."

The Journal-Constitution verifies that there were at least 12 people involved in the incident. The Journal-Constitution story also collaborates that the 12 men were taking photographs.

TSA spokesman John Allen says the airline did an investigation and gave this statement about the issue: "The TSA sent two inspectors to the gate area after the plane returned, talked with the passengers involved and determined that the issue was a customer service matter between the passengers and the airline."

When asked about the reports of Muslim men shouting in Arabic, Allen repeated the TSA statement.

Mark Taylor is a private investigator and a terrorism writer for Family Security Matters, and his investigation suggests that Muslim terrorists were checking out the system.

"There are three independent versions of the story that collaborate the possibility that 11 or 12 Middle Eastern men appeared to be testing AirTran's security," Taylor says.

"The evidence tends to show that someone was doing what is referred to as a dry run, or what one television commentator calls a 'shark bump,' just to see if we're paying attention," Taylor explains.

The airline's explanation, however, was that the incident was no more than a minor disturbance.

"During taxi a passenger was non-compliant with crew members, using a cell phone and taking pictures. The flight taxied back to the gate and the passenger, who did not speak English, and his companion acting as his interpreter were asked to de-plane. They were met by customer service personnel and TSA," the airline said.

"We bring this to your attention in order to dispel myths that are beginning to make the rounds in chat rooms, blogs and conspiracy theorists' Web sites," AirTran said.

But there was no explanation for why the original crew refused, after a passenger was noncompliant regarding the use of a cell phone, to continue the flight. Nor why a dozen other passengers were so distraught they left the airplane and were rebooked on later flights. Nor has there been any mention of the dancing, singing or pointing of finger "guns."

AirTran officials did not respond to WND calls requesting additional explanation.

The disputed accounts of the incident are similar to the case of the "flying imams" in 2006.

The six Muslim clerics were booted from a US Airways Minneapolis-to-Phoenix flight after alarming both passengers and crew with their behavior. Many on board feared the imams – who prayed loudly in Arabic, refused to sit in their assigned seats, fanned out in the cabin in pairs to occupy the front, middle and rear exit rows, ordered seat-belt extenders they didn't need, criticized the Iraq war and President Bush, talked about al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden and other disconcerting behaviors – were testing security procedures in a dry run for a future hijacking.

The imams, who insisted they were acting innocently, were detained for several hours and questioned by airport police, the FBI and Secret Service, and prevented from booking a later flight on US Airways.

They sued the airline, and the case was settled.

Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, called the settlement "a clear victory for justice and civil rights over fear and the phenomenon of 'flying while Muslim' in the post-9/11 era."

According to the judge, the imams had been subjected to "extreme fear and humiliation of being falsely identified as dangerous terrorists."

But as reported in "Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That's Conspiring to Islamize America," by former federal agent P. David Gaubatz and investigative journalist Paul Sperry, there's another, far more ominous and threatening side to the flying imam story – and CAIR's involvement with it – that had not been told.

"CAIR brags this is a 'victory for civil rights.' It's not a victory for civil rights," Sperry said after the settlement was announced. "It's a victory for future hijackers. This settlement will have a chilling effect on law enforcement and security at our nation's airports. Even pilots will now think twice about bouncing from flights any Arabs or Muslims acting suspiciously and threateningly."

"The victims in the case are not the imams," Sperry emphasized. "The victims are passengers who are now more vulnerable to terrorist attack – thanks to CAIR which according to documents revealed in 'Muslim Mafia' manipulated this whole case from the start," he said.

According to the hot-selling book, the ringleader of the flying imams, Omar Shahin, was involved in a similar disturbance aboard another airline several years earlier, as was CAIR.

"Rewind to 1999," says "Muslim Mafia." "That year, two Muslim college students were removed from an America West flight to Washington from Phoenix after twice attempting to open the cockpit. The FBI later suspected it was a 'dry run' for the 9/11 hijackings, according the 9/11 Commission Report."

"At the time, however, authorities didn't have enough suspicion to hold the students. And as soon as Hamdan al-Shalawi and Muhammed al-Qudhaieen were released, they filed racial profiling suits against America West, now part of US Airways."

Representing the two Muslim students was none other than CAIR, which held a news conference condemning "this ugly case of racial profiling" and urging Muslims to boycott America West.

"Muhammed and Hamdan had done absolutely nothing wrong," CAIR's Awad insisted. "Their crime was being Arab, speaking Arabic."

In a bizarre prequel to the flying imam event, the two Muslims aboard the America West flight spoke loudly in Arabic despite being fluent in English, also switched their seats and roamed the plane from the tail section to the cockpit as did the six imams, all the while asking suspicious questions about the plane and its routes.

"'Flying Imams' ringleader Omar Shahin is familiar with such shenanigans," reports "Muslim Mafia." "Witnesses say he prayed loudly in Arabic before boarding his US Airways flight – which also originated from Phoenix. And once on board, he asked for a seatbelt extender even though he didn't need one and never used the one provided him. (He and another imam left the extenders on the floor of the plane.) And he roamed the cabin and tried to switch seats with another imam."

Shahin also knew both of the students who were kicked off the America West flight, as documented in "Muslim Mafia," which reports that Shahin ministered to them at his former mosque in Tucson, Arizona, where they had attended college on visas from Saudi Arabia. When they were arrested, Shahin rushed to their defense – along with CAIR.

Incredibly, reveals "Muslim Mafia," "Shahin has admitted to being a former supporter of Osama bin Laden while running the Saudi-backed Islamic Center of Tucson, which functioned as one of al-Qaida’s main hubs in North America."
 
Few things:

-I have severe doubts as to the accuracy of the eyewitness that may not have been on the plane.
-If anyone else actually could corroborate his story, they would get their 15 minutes of fame on the networks. The fact that no one is doing this is telling.
-Only in a Mel Brooks movie would highjacking involve singing and dancing.

Finally, ever since 9/11, the definition of a highjacking changed. Used to be you sat quietly, complied, and tried not to attract attention for fear of getting shot and dumped on the tarmac as the world watched. A little over 8 years ago, the highjacking of an airplane became a death sentence for all aboard, and not something anyone is likely to tolerate. Die fighting, or die crashing into something... As much as you can criticize modern Americans, I don't think a highjacking is something they will allow over our skies ever again.

Further, if you're a terrorist cell, why do something that is so unlikely to succeed when there are plenty of less secure exploitable targets?

PS - They want you to buy a book. Think that might have something to do with the sensationalist reporting?
 
If this wasn't a dry run, I don't know what one is.

Petruna has probably never seen another hijacking dry run in his life.

I liked how the men were first described as Muslim (as if you can tell religion by looking at a person), then as Middle Eastern, then as Arabic. The article seems to be using a xenophobic shotgun approach by using many hot button descriptors.
 
Petruna has probably never seen another hijacking dry run in his life.

I liked how the men were first described as Muslim (as if you can tell religion by looking at a person), then as Middle Eastern, then as Arabic. The article seems to be using a xenophobic shotgun approach by using many hot button descriptors.
I agree.
 
I have a hard time believing it as what is the point? these people are willing to die to take others with them, why on earth would they do a dry run and get arrested?A Dozen of arabs singing, dancing, and making gun gestures.... seems like those DOZEN could have been far more productive to their task.

point is, these people to not make dry runs. they would have improvised weapons and taken over the plane... seem familiar to anyone?
 
OK, bs story or not, let's get back to S&T and my original question. What would you do if you were in this situation? The point of a dry run is to probe and test the airline's security. While not particularly dangerous, singing and dancing and taking pictures with cell phone cameras of strangers is creating a disturbance and it allows them to gauge their reaction.
 
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I have read numerous reports on this and it appears to be true. Just for the record, Snopes is pretty far left and is not credible.
 
OK, bs story or not, let's get back to S&T and my original question. What would you do if you were in this situation?

This situation would not happen in real life. That's like walking into a bank with a mask and a gun and pretending to rob the place, then giving the money back and walking away. I can't really imagine what I would do in a nonexistent situation.
 
I have read numerous reports on this and it appears to be true. Just for the record, Snopes is pretty far left and is not credible.
HA!
Just because they debunk the conspiracy-minded RW blogosphere's silliness on a regular basis does not mean they are "left-leaning" ... it means they bother to fact check once in a while, rather than passing along every inbox rumor without a half-second's critical thought.

Reality-based ≠ "left-wing conspiracy"

But the real conspirators and rumor-starters are laughing at you while you get spun up on these incredible stories.
 
I have read numerous reports on this and it appears to be true.

You can't be serious. As PT mentioned, what in the world would the benefit be to act in the way the people in the article are purported to have acted? Singing, dancing, and "pretending" to shoot other passengers is a pretty sure way to get arrested and taken out of commission if you're a potential terrorist. If they truly wanted to test security (which they *do* indeed do, despite what PT said) they would do so in a much more discreet manner, so as to *avoid* suspicion.

Honestly, the lack of critical thinking involved for people to believe this crap is terrifying.
 
I never said they didnt test security... only not in the form of such dry runs.. get up and freak out (a'la final destination)? sure.... forget your keys in your pocket to see if they are detected? sure

a dozen arab guys singing and making gun gestures in a plane? not.

as far as strategies and tactics, wear a big belt buckle on a sturdy leather belt and start swinging if someone surpasses the realm of singing into something actually dangerous.

carry a pocket full of change and fill your sock, start swinging.....

if all else fails, take a page out of their book... throw your shoe at em.
 
Lots of reasons to do it. One is to test reactions of flight crews and passengers. One is to intimidate security to overlook instances such as this, think the Flying Imams. Another is money. Hit the airlines in the pocket. Once flight crews are afraid of confronting such actions for fear of losing jobs the initial goal is accomplished.

Snopes regularly downplays evidence, uses discredited sites to impugn stories, makes suppositions with no supporting evidence and tap dances to provide "context" to issues that appear to harm the left.
For instance obama's birth certificate, obama is a muslim, obama pals with terrorists including ayers and dohrn, Flight 327, obama's racist statements, obama's connection to rezko, obama's campaign contributions.
 
Trying to keep this on track, PT1911 has the right idea. You have to treat it like any other sterile zone and think outside the box, fist load, ball point pen, belt buckle, heck, just charge down the aisle like a linebacker and hope you can force a bottleneck. As far as when to act, I think it would be best to err on the side of caution and let it play pretty close to the boiling point before getting involved. Something like that and you'd better be darn sure of their intentions before you go clubbing people with a belt buckle.
Just my .02

I doubt the voracity of the claim though, it doesn't make sense that the MSM wouldn't be all over it... I mean, do you really think FOX NEWS wants to keep blathering on about cocktail waitresses Tiger Woods has bedded. If there was any story to this, the cable shows would be going nuts over it on both sides of the spectrum, but buried on questionable sites just sets my radar off.
 
Eagles6, of course, because Snopes debunked some of the silliest conspiracy theories RE the obamatron, they MUST be a left-wing conspiracy run by gay-married aborting, terrrrist, muslin Democrat party leaders.

Sorry, I didn't realize how very obvious it was. Your logic has rendered all other possibilities impossible and unmentionable.
 
It seems like if it was a dry run it was quite successful
1 It doesn't seem like anyone was arrested even though the plane was forced to return.
2 No crew of passengers moved to restrain the men, and most passengers continued with the flight.

If it was indeed a dry run I and it would have met with resistance or the airline would have ejected them from the flight you can bet that some convenient witnesses would have been passengers and seen how poorly the muslim brothers were treated and the aclu would have been brought in due to the religious and racial profiling done by the passengers and airline.
Political Correctness will kill us, they are well aware of how we will punish our own at their accusations as proven by the prosecution of the Navy Seals who capture one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq.
 
You should be more worried about gold sacks hijacking our economy. And the real dry run is taking place in Iraq and Afganistan--kicking in doors in the middle of the night, and rounding people up to abuse them in secret prisions. You should be more afraid of our gov, than arabs my friend.
 
quite successful
Terrorism is general has been quite successful, it seems.
"Watch the stupid infidels scared of their own shadow, or the slightest hint of odd activity by brown people" says the bearded mastermind hiding in a cave somewhere in/near Afghanistan.

Good job, we've been terrorized and changed our way of life, thanks to a small minority within one of many violent religions we now fear any hint of Islam in the slightest bit of odd activity, and blow stories out of proportion to the point of imagining vast conspiracies.
 
I cant believe this. Some of you guys dont have a problem discussing in detail how you would deal with a zombie invasion, yet, this story and others like it get dismissed as bs. Am I missing something here?
 
Am I missing something here?

If this was a probe or a dry run, it was an extreme waste of people who could later carry out attacks. Now these clowns will be on watch lists, which is exactly where an effective sleeper cannot be.
 
Yeah, but it would be easier for them to use "wannabes" for dry runs, and use the real terrorists for the real attack.

Thanks John. That is the kind of thoughtful response I was hoping for.
 
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