Historic Vermont Meeting in State Capital Passes Resolution to Secede from the U.S.

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Historic Vermont Meeting in State Capital Passes Resolution to Secede from the U.S.
The members of a peaceful freedom-fighting group want no part of neo-cons running the imperialistic U.S. government. Plan to secede from the U.S. gaining momentum in the fiercely independent Green Mountain state.
2 Nov 2005

By Greg Szymanski



The neo-con band of criminals running Washington, trampling on civil rights at home and invading countries at will overseas, has led a large group of strong-minded Vermont freedom-fighters with no choice but to secede from the United States.



And last Friday at the state capital building in Montpelier, a historic independence convention was held, the first of its kind in the United States since May 20, 1861, when South Carolina decided to leave the Union.



A packed House Chamber in the Vermont statehouse, with more than 400 gathered, started the daylong secession convention with a speech by keynote James Howard Kunstler, author of The Long Emergency, and ended with a resolution passed to secede from the United States.



Most people think of secession as impossible if not treasonous, but the concept is deeply rooted in the Declaration of Independence, reminding us that “Whenever any form of government becomes destructive, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it and to institute new government.”



And with the neo-con takeover of Washington, including all its branches of government transforming America into a one-party dictatorship, that’s exactly what the resolution passed in Vermont seeks to do by members of grassroots movement growing in numbers daily.



Although the resolution is the first step in the long process that needs support from the state legislators – as well as an officially recognized convention - the grass roots group called the Second Vermont Republic passed the following citizen’s resolution:



“Be it resolved that the state of Vermont peacefully and democratically free itself from the United States of America and return to its natural status as an independent republic as it was between January 15, 1777 and March 4, 1791.”



Even though critics give the secession group ‘a snowball’s chance in hell,’ organizers are firmly convinced in the present-day tyrannical political climate secession will not only succeed but will prosper.



‘This could only happen in Vermont where people are still fiercely independent and fed up with the course the American government is taking,” said Thomas Naylor, the head of the group calling itself the Second Republic of Vermont. “We have a lot going for us and if you think about it, we have a lot in common with Poland’s Solidarity movement, who many said would never succeed.



“But Poland did get its freedom, mainly because it was a country liked around the world, sort of like how people in America feel about Vermont. When people think of Vermont, they have a warm and fuzzy feeling, an image of black and white Holstein cows and beautiful scenery. I can also tell you there is now closet support in the legislature now and we are serious about getting the support needed to secede from the United States.’



Naylor, a former Duke University economics professor, said from his Vermont home this week that statewide independence is really a euphemism for secession, adding Vermont also will seek to join the group of Unrepresented Nations similar to the Lakota Indians and other international indigenous people.



“Secession is one of the most politically charged words in America, thanks to Abraham Lincoln,” said Naylor, adding he had been writing about secession for the better part of 10 years but the movement picked up tremendous steam after 9/11. “Secession really combines a radical act of rebellion grounded in fear and anger with a positive vision for the future.



“It represents an act of faith that the new will be better than the old. The decision to secede necessarily involves a very personal, painful four-step decision process. It first involves denunciation that the United States has lost its moral authority and is unsustainable, ungovernable and unfixable. Second, there is disengagement or admitting ‘I don’t want to go down with the Titanic. Third, there is demystification that secession really is a viable option constitutionally, politically and economically. And finally, defiance, saying ‘I personally want to help take Vermont back from big business, big markets and big government and I want to do so peacefully.’”



What started out as Naylor’s little fantasy to have an independent country made up of Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine, has already grown from a small group of 36 several years ago to a packed House Chamber in the state’s capital. Claiming to have a membership of 160 as of last April, Naylor said the numbers have doubled or even tripled.



“”I’m getting calls from all over the country supporting our movement,” said Naylor. “Although there are more than 20 states with some kind of secession movement, Alaska and Hawaii being the best examples, I think Vermont really has the best chance at succeeding at seceding.”



Besides holding the Vermont independence convention in Montpelier, the smallest state capital city in the United States, it also has the reputation as being the most fiercely independent and anti- big business, being the only one not allowing a McDonald’s in the entire country.



“First and foremost, we want out of the United States. It’s not just an anti-Bush statement and if Kerry was elected, we still would have wanted out,” said Naylor. “The reality is that we have a one party system in this country, called the Republican party, that is owned and operated and controlled by corporate America. So it’s not just a Bush protest, but a protest against the Empire.



Although many critics have said the mighty U.S. would not stand for Vermont’s secession, Naylor as will as others disagree, including Jim Hogue, a talk show host on Vermont Public radio.



“There’s nothing they would want here. There’s no oil, just mountains. We’re just not important enough. We’re funny, we’re small and we’re peaceful,” said Hogue several months ago in an article in the Montreal Gazette.



With most Vermont politicians, including the Congressional delegation, ignoring the grassroots secession movement or just laughing it off as good theatre, Vermont’s Lt. Gov., Brian Dubie, has weighed in on the issue, giving it a certain amount of merit but stopping short of outright support.



“I really salute their energy and passion,” he said in a local press interview. “we have an obligation to think of what is in our best interest as a state and for the people of out state, even as we approach federal and national issues.”



Besides Naylor and Kuntsler, others who spoke at the Oct. 28 independence convention included Professor Frank Bryan of the University of Vermont; Kirkpatrick Sale, author of Human Scale; J. Kevin Graffagnino, executive director of theVermont Historical Society; Professor Eric Davis, Middlebury College; Shay Totten, editor of the Vermont Guardian; and Dr. Rob Williams of Champlain College.
 
Rotflmao

How quaint.

Problem is, they don't seem to want anything positive, just some way to express their displeasure at something that, frankly, even they don't seem to be able to define. "neocon dictatorship" is a cute moonbat buzz-term but has no real meaning.

Even better: "I personally want to help take Vermont back from big business, big markets and big government"

So they want a third-world nation? I'm sure no fan of big government, but small businesses and small markets mean one thing and one thing only, throughout human history: abject poverty and a short, mean life spent toiling physically for a subsistence level of food.

This is a former Econ professor? He must have been laughed out of the department, even at Duke!
 
Articles that begin with "The neo-con band of criminals running Washington," don't exactly impress my credibility meter.
 
Articles that begin with "The neo-con band of criminals running Washington," don't exactly impress my credibility meter

Hmmm, you mean the Bush administration isn't wiping it's behind with the Constitution?

I hope they seceed, it'll be very interesting as far as international politics goes as the US govt is violating it's own laws and is a rogue state by it's own definition. Better tv than any reality show out there, go, Vermont, go!
 
Southern Vermont has become the Berkley of the East Coast!

Actually surprising because vermont was once conservative, now most of it, except for northern part of state, is overcome with leftists, progressives, and social misfits. Can't swing a dead cat in the state without hitting a liberal!

Recall that Dr. Dean was Governor of State, and Socialist Bernie Sanders was Mayor of Burlington. And liberal Senator Leahy (D) represents the state. Turncoat Republican turned Independent (Democrat) Jeffords also serves as a representative...

Before this hoard of liberals came to power Vermont's Governor Dick Snelling did well for the state and kept it nice... he died and Sec. of State Dean came to power and now Vermont is a cesspool...

I hope they secede! A Civil War in Vermont would be good! Can we shoot them all as Confederates?
On to Montpelier! The Union Be Preserved!
 
The war between the states proved not that seccession was wrong, only impractical.

Steady there Camp David.

Dyslexic Agnostic Insomniac: Lies awake wondering if there is a dog.
 
This can't be happening!! I have one concern that isn't addressed in the article and it's an important one.

How will I get my Ben and Jerry's ice cream if they secede? I don't want to buy imported ice cream.
 
rick_reno said:
How will I get my Ben and Jerry's ice cream if they secede?

In this time of Civil War in New England, you need to adopt concessions to support the war effort: I urge you to try Häagen-Dazs Ice Cream! Contrary to popular belief, Häagen-Dazs dates back to the early 1920s from Bronx, New York. American made! No socialist 'BenOverJerry' ice cream for me!

fyi=> http://www.haagen-dazs.com/coibrh.do
 
So when does General Sherman go in and burn the place to the ground?
 
rick_reno said:
This can't be happening!! I have one concern that isn't addressed in the article and it's an important one.

How will I get my Ben and Jerry's ice cream if they secede? I don't want to buy imported ice cream.

The anti-gun moonbat company can keep their fattening ice cream.

Okay, the original owners sold out, but they can still keep it.

The problem with the secessionists in Vermont is that they've thought this through even less than the secessionists in South Carolina did in 1861.

Sure, the Bush Administration hasn't been exactly the most true to the Constitution. That's what the Supreme Court is supposed to take care of, BTW. What administration HAS been? And what Supreme Court has really stopped them?
 
*takes greatgreatgreatgrandfather's saber off the wall* Well, my family had to kick a bunch of traitorous peckerwood backside once, looks like it's the moonbats time!:cool:

What will the moonbats fight with--their lattes!:D

I like to quote a great Southerner, Andrew Jackson, when confronted with the possibility of South Carolina and the South committing treason in the 1830s, "I shall hang you from the highest trees in the state.":D Too bad they don't make presidents like that anymore.
 
Yep and it resulted in most major cities in the south being razed if I recall. Break out the torches men... payback can be a beeeyotch.
 
Tejon,

Washington has essentially relieved itself on and of the US Constitution, so how does that make Vermont traitorous for not wanting to be under a tyrannical govt? It seems Washington has committed treason, so at what point is one allowed to seceed in your opinion? Is free speech being banned enough? Firearm confiscation? Your property being seized to give to a developer because he will give the govt more money? Are we supposed to have infinite tolerance for the Fed's abuses, is there any point at which a state would be justified in seceeding?

The whole purpose of us breaking away from England was to secure our rights, so why should we not be able to leave the "Union" in the same fashion given the indesputable fact that our govt does not obey it's own laws and is illegitimate?

When you condone the exploitation and oppression of a people to preserve the "Union" founded upon the idea of freedom you have made the "Union" nothing more than a false idol who you have sacrificed your principles to.
 
cbsbyte said:
I heard from a friend that the Vermont seccession wasso they could join Canada.

Funny thing...

Even the moonbats -- liberal Vermonters being more libertarian than, say, Northern Californians, who are authoritarians -- might find that Canada is WAY out of line with their values.
 
Please note that this was not a resolution passed by Vermont legislators, but simply something done by a bunch of people hanging out at the Vermont capitol building -- the headline is deliberately misleading.

Any fool and his buddies can write up a paper, pass it around to a bunch of "ayes" and call it a resolution. This has the power and legitimacy of the Vermont Cat Lover's Club voting to secede from the Union. Big whoop.
 
I sure wish reporters would learn to write. This paragraph makes no sense at all:
Besides holding the Vermont independence convention in Montpelier, the smallest state capital city in the United States, it also has the reputation as being the most fiercely independent and anti- big business, being the only one not allowing a McDonald’s in the entire country.
Take out the adjectival clause, and you are left with "Besides holding the Vermont independence convention in Montpelier, ..., it also has the reputation as being the most fiercely independent and anti- big business, being the only one not allowing a McDonald’s in the entire country."

What is "it"? What is "the only one"?

My first impression was that there are no McDonalds in Vermont. However, since I know first-hand that such is not the case I had to re-read the sentence, and I finally figured out that "it" must refer, not to Vermont, but to Montpelier, the capital thereof.

How ironic. Vermont wants to secede from the United States, while one of Vermont's ski towns (is it Stowe?) wants to secede from Vermont and become part of New Hampshire. This could become interesting ... or at least amusing.
 
cuchulainn said:
Please note that this was not a resolution passed by Vermont legislators, but simply something done by a bunch of people hanging out at the Vermont capitol building -- the headline is deliberately misleading.

Any fool and his buddies can write up a paper, pass it around to a bunch of "ayes" and call it a resolution. This has the power and legitimacy of the Vermont Cat Lover's Club voting to secede from the Union. Big whoop.
Please note this was not a declaration signed by Members of Parliment, but simply something done by a bunch of merchants hanging out in Pennsylvania.

Any fool and his buddies can write up a paper, pass it around to a bunch of "ayes" and call it a resolution. I wouldnt worry about it Your Highness.

Does that put things in perspective for you?

When this nation was formed, the Declaration of Independence could be dismissed just as easily. There were those who I am sure looked at what we today consider one of this nation's most important documents and dismissed it as the ramblings of moon-bats.

So, you can dismiss them as kooks if you wish - or you could actually acknowlege that succeed or fail, they have done more than YOU have to make this nation theirs again.
 
spartacus2002 said:
I'm not laughing. I'm putting my money on Arizona being next -- or at least the first successful one.
I'd say Texas has a better chance. We've got a fairly large pro-secession component here anyway. Something like this making mainstream news and treated as a serious news story could light some fires.

On the other hand, if AZ manages it first, could you save me a good spot if you get there before i do? I'll do the same for you :)
 
...sort of like how people in America feel about Vermont. When people think of Vermont, they have a warm and fuzzy feeling...

Lots of feeling there. Do they have "Feeling-Powered" Mini-guns and Tanks too?

I'm sure that if any of these people actually did start to make their own 'nation', they would be treated just as well as the people at Ruby Ridge and Waco. I'd include the Montana Freeman, but I don't think they got gunned down by the .gov...
 
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