PercyShelley
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I read a lot about how bad the Japanese pistols of WWII were, but I never hear any specifics. What was it that made the nambu and its ilk so awful?
The Type 14 Nambu entered service in 1925 and was by far the better pistol but as others have said it is a weak cartridge...the weakest of any major power...even the Italians...of WW2...
The Beretta M1934 isn't bad, it's just a different kind of WWII sidearm compared to a BHP, 1911, P38, etc. It's more along the lines of a Makarov in concept. I also think the weakest pistol is a pretty close race.The Type 14 Nambu entered service in 1925 and was by far the better pistol but as others have said it is a weak cartridge...the weakest of any major power...even the Italians...of WW2...
The Beretta M1934 was chambered in .380ACP, it had a 7 round magazine and was a compact pistol about the size of a PPK or Makarov. The M1935 was the .32ACP version more commonly sold to civilians. The 9mm Glisenti cartridge had gone out of favor by WWII, it was just a quick fix when they initially tried to chamber the Glisenti pistol in 9mm Para (though it is a good idea for a cartridge and similar rounds like 9mm Police/Ultra would appear later).legion3 said:Agreed... I should have said one of the weakest...
I was thinkng of the the Beretta M1934 which I think were mostly in the 9mm Glisenti round at the time of the war, the Model M1935 was the 380 version, which would be more powerful than the Nambu...
A lot of people tried to copy the Luger look if not the design (Lahti, Glisenti, Nambu). Japanese firearms weren't all failures though, I've heard that the Arisaka was about the strongest action of any of the rifles of WWII, ended up influencing the Remington 700.legion3 said:I also read somewhere that the Type 94 was an attempt to create for Japanese officers a more "western looking gun"
Ummm..... They needed to keep trying
It is, and the Arisaka was based on it. The bolt design is a bit different from the handle on back, as there is no safety tang and the rear of the firing pin is enclosed. Due to this, Arisaka's cannot be decocked; only dry fired. That, and they are cock-on-close.I would have thought the Mauser 98 the top rifle-bolt action
The Type 14 Nambu entered service in 1925 and was by far the better pistol but as others have said it is a weak cartridge...the weakest of any major power...even the Italians...of WW2...
yeah but there's still the tokarev pistol, chinese nationalist .45acp mauser machine pistols, BHP, P38.One must remember that the US was about the only WWI and WWII combatant that saw the handgun as a viable combat weapon.
The principle use of the Nambu was suicide or execution. Same for the Nagant revolver.
I heard it was an old magazine article from the 50's or 60's where they demolition tested a bunch of cheap war surplus rifles and the Arisaka was the last to "pop" from the high chamber pressure test cartridges. Japanese metalurgy isn't fantastic, maybe they overcompensated with their design (kind of like Ruger P-series pistols).I'm not sure how it was decided, but it seems common knowledge among mil-surp enthusiasts that the Arisaka is one of (if not the) strongest military bolt action rifles made.
really? my first impressions of a type 38 was what a huge gun it is especially for such a weak cartridgethe design, while strong, is on the light side.
After the surrender of the Japanese Empire in 1945, 7.7mm Arisaka rifles began appearing in the US as war trophies and military surplus. Testing revealed that the 7.7x58 will do anything that can be done with the .303 British, and more. The Arisaka Model 99 is a stronger action than the Lee-Enfield.