Hitler Youth Knife

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  1. Howland937

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    I'm in this camp as well. I can convince myself that it's ok to own (though I don't own anything anymore) as it's historically significant. It shows that if you're evil, good people will destroy your way of life and your prized possessions will become trophies for the victors. With the provenance bikerdoc has, displaying it preserved but unrepaired along with the the story would be an excellent tribute. Without that, it almost feels like owning it is sympathizing.
     
  2. Boattale

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    Not judging. But anything Japanese, German, Vietnamese, Afghani, Iraqi or any of our enemies stuff will never ever be in my house.
     
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  3. Double_J

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    Clean the blade with oil, coat lightly and place in a shadow box with the story of where it came from.

    We must remember what lead to the war, and how easily we could have the same issues come up again.
     
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    Many years back I was with my Dad visiting our cousins in Denmark. On the wall of cousin Peder's farmhouse,displayed along with some deer antlers,(he was a hunter and a hell of a shot) were an M1 carbine and a German Mauser. Cousin Peder had been in the Danish resistance during the war and he explained to my Dad how he got the carbine from the Allies and then he used it to get the Mauser...
    My point is that keeping stuff that you took from an enemy is a way of "counting coup".
    YMMV
     
  5. Boattale

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    Yeah, I can see that.
     
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  6. Ernie Bass

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    Great story. And very sad about the Hitler youths. Incidentally recently watched a very good Movie of Tank Soldiers (Brad Pitt) which featured a very similar event of being attacked by the Youths and one soldier reluctant to kill, and the other a seasoned vet took him out. In another scene a Father pleades for his Nazi youth son to be relieved of duty as he knows his son will be killed.
    Thanks for posting. Very interesting to get a part of History with the Knife and your Uncle and his division.

    Movie "Fury"

     
  7. kBob

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    I had an aquaintence in Germany in the mid 1970's that had been in HJ from the time he was old enough until the spring of 1944, when he joined the SS.

    He worked in the base physical plant at Wiley Kaserne in Neu Ulm West Germany. He was sent to the school in Oberamergau and served as a 18 y/o equivilant of a 2LT for a few months in late 1944 before being badly wounded....by a bayonet on a rifle wielded by a US soldier. He was missing a rib as a result. He was in SS division HJ which he said actually was mostly auslander troops but for German SS officers. He was in Market Garden. He was re educated at Dachau, though it took him longer than most as he was involved in an escape and made to start over.

    He must have been pretty well re educated as that Kasserne and buildings he worked in was home to the 1/81 FA and 1/41 FA Pershing Missile Battalions and a Nuke storage facility for them and Big Red 1 forward 8 inch and 155 Special Projectiles.

    He gave me an Wehrmact Artillery NCO visor cap he was wearing when he was arrested the first time. A neighbor also home for wounds outfitted him in a set of his clothing . All his SS gear and HJ stuff was traded away, stuffed in communal trash piles for burning, or tossed in the Danau river as they believed the US was shooting SS on sight. He said a replica of the HJ knife I had bought down town in Ulm proper was "exactly" like the one he had for years as a youth. ( there was a small Souvineer shop down town that sold Nazi parifinalia and the owner had his own SS uniform on a maniquin in back. Besides the HJ knife I bought a replica Panzer Combat badge I gave to a friend that thought he was going into armor) My replica was stolen in our barracks likely when one of my three room mates invited a horde of outsiders that should not have been allowed upstairs or even past the CQ desk. The replica seemed to take an edge and hold it as well as the one I had stateside....used to be Solingen on a blade really meant something. I think the one I bought in Europe was Kissing Crane and the one I had stateside was Othello.

    I imagine that "Scout Knife" and the original both have makers marks on the blade next to the hilt. If those posters would check to see and share the makers that might be interesting.

    Last thing, a friends Dad was in Germany at age 6 and in Nurenburg during a rally he got lost and sepperated from his family and was rescued by a group of "boy scouts" that took him to a local police station. He remembered the knives. His family was in Germany trying to talk family there into leaving and offering to sponsor them for US entrée. In later years the man realized how lucky he had been, being a Jew rescued from the streets by HJ.

    -kBob
     
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  8. theotherwaldo

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    I picked up one of those knives in a junk shop back when I was in junior high.
    One of my neighbors, a veteran and retired pro baseball player, explained the knife's significance to me.
    I left it behind on our family's next move.
    Just too many family members murdered by Nazis.
     
  9. Mullo98

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    Personally , I don't think owning authentic Nazi era stuff is necessarily having Nazi sympathies. Owing a Nazi proof marked Luger, a bring back flag or a collecting a few SS medals because of historical interest or just for WW2 collecting.Is not the same as downplaying Nazi war crimes, defending the ideology, or outright supporting them. Which is what Neo Nazis do.

    With that stuff said, father owns a youth knife. I don't know how he came to own it, it's definitely not a family memento and I have little to no doubts it's a replica ; a old one at that. As it is worn and tarnished with the emblem rattling in the hilt. Does anyone know when clones start being made and by whom?
     
  10. kBob

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    well I did a little research and found that the Othello mark on the knife I bought in Gatlinberg,Tn in about 1966 was used by the company from 1937 until 1985 so it did not help me in finding out if it was original or a replica.

    -kBob
     
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    Here's a website with some info about originals. Maybe you could find out more about it there.

    https://www.lakesidetrader.com/Education/Blut-und-Ehre!/
     
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    That's good to know. I saw this knife in a YouTube video about some guys building a Viking House with hand tools. I noticed it immediately and recognized it. I knew the red and white diamond was missing, I wondered if it was an HJ knife with the symbol removed. Sounds like they stopped attaching the Nazi symbols but kept making the knives for sporting and practical use. The 30's and 40's Germans had awful politics, but they've almost Knife.jpg always made quality equipment.
     
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