HK VP-9B Abomination

[Winkman822]

Has anyone else caught the HK abomination that is the VP-9B? Why should HK (and Walther for that matter) change, everyone who complains about the trigger guard mag release are the ones who suck (bonus points if you get the movie reference there). In all seriousness, Why fix what ain't broke? I had a VP-9 a while back and it was an outstanding gun that jus flat out ran. Unfortunately, I didn't have a practical use for it other than a range gun since I carry a Walther P99, P30 SK or Walther PPS M1. The VP was a nice gun that just took up space in the safe at the end of the day.

 

[cslinger]

Because uhhhh money.

 

[cslinger]

I prefer the paddle too but just because we are right doesn’t make us the majority.

 

[Sergei Mosin]

If it sells them more guns, why not? I won't buy one, but I bought one of the first VP9s to arrive here.

 

[sota]

Money. may the HK mothership make a ton of it.

I mean hell, I only want hammer fired handguns, and think y'all that carry glocks are insane to do so.

 

[1KPerDay]

Does it still have the razor sharp trough in the trigger guard?

 

[Winkman822]

Money. may the HK mothership make a ton of it.

I mean hell, I only want hammer fired handguns, and think y'all that carry glocks are insane to do so.

I myself am a closet HK fanboy, and perhaps a purist, but this just seems wrong. After all, HK is all about "no compromise". Now that has to be modified to include "except for giving into whiny Americans who demand a button magazine release". On the slight plus side, they appear to have gotten it more right than Walther since different magazines won't be required.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Does it still have the razor sharp trough in the trigger guard?

That's the best part. It saves you more on ammo costs than reloading does.

I like my paddle releases a lot. They are functional and comfortable, but I see no reason why they shouldn't cater to their market demand. That's just being business savvy.

 

[sota]

I myself am a closet HK fanboy, and perhaps a purist, but this just seems wrong. After all, HK is all about "no compromise". Now that has to be modified to include "except for giving into whiny Americans who demand a button magazine release". On the slight plus side, they appear to have gotten it more right than Walther since different magazines won't be required.

H&K will make a gun to customer specifications, if they order enough of them. ex: H&K P30 v6 for the German Federal Customs Administration.
I'm betting there's a customer out there that asked for a button version, and ordered enough of them. Not to mention the "public" likes to make noise about wanting a button version, or at least hating on the paddle release (mostly from those who've never run it.)

Like I said, if they sell a butt load of them and make a ton of money, I'm cool with it.

 

[ttarp]

I find it a bit frustrating to see, especially when Hk fans have been clamoring for MR556 A3's, semi G36's, and even for the USC to be brought back, but Hk listens to the "But I want a pushbutton!" crowd instead.

They aren't going to dig their way out of debt by introducing "B" models, that's for sure.

 

[cslinger]

My guess is a law enforcement and or military agency said “But I want a push button!!!”

 

[sigarms228]

HK still will make the original VP9. The B version makes a ton of sense for the American market. Walther rep had stated on Walther forum the the M2 version of the PPQ outsells the original M1 version by about 10 to 1. A lot of shooters are used to only the button magazine release on their pistols and don't want to buy a pistol that has anything else.

 

[CopperFouling]

H&K will make a gun to customer specifications, if they order enough of them. ex: H&K P30 v6 for the German Federal Customs Administration.

What the heck is that variant? I apologize for the off-topic post.

Anyway, after a few years of using the paddle magazine release, I've actually started to prefer it to a pushbutton. Apparently, that is not the consensus of the American handgun market.

It does seem a little odd, though, that this was released before the VP45 or an optics-ready VP9 or the .22 Long Rifle conversion for the VP9 that I've heard rumors about for years.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

If you have big hands and your trigger finger tends to stick through further than desired, the tip of your finger can get banged up by a button release. It's one of the reasons I ditched my FNP45 in favor of my HK45.

The paddle is more comfortable for me.

The trigger trough does tear up my knuckle though on my HK45. It isn't a problem though on my P30SK or VP9.

 

[sota]

I find it a bit frustrating to see, especially when Hk fans have been clamoring for MR556 A3's, semi G36's, and even for the USC to be brought back, but Hk listens to the "But I want a pushbutton!" crowd instead.

They aren't going to dig their way out of debt by introducing "B" models, that's for sure.

I suspect they've run the numbers and come up with they're not going to sell enough of the firearms you've listed to make enough profit to warrant the investment needed (time, money, resources, etc.)

I know every time I've seen or been involved in a group buy, you'll get hundreds who say "yea I want one!", that number loses a decimal when the near commitment time frame comes up, then loses another decimal when it's time to actually fork over cash.

What the heck is that variant? I apologize for the off-topic post.

V6 DAO 39 N (8.8 lbf) 14 mm (0.55 in) Conventional DAO trigger with spurless single-piece hammer and no decocker.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_&_Koch_P30

as I remember it, the V0 variant is also a customer custom request... I forget who exactly but I want to say the swiss or the swedes requested it. I've been considering converting one of my V3's to a V0 to see if I like it.

 

[ttarp]

You're absolutely right about group buys and lack of commitment in general. At the same time, when Hk imported that limited run of USC's this year, they disappeared before you could blink. I realize more intelligent(by far) individuals than I run the numbers on decisions like these, but all I can go by is what I've seen.

 

[Winkman822]

I for one really dig the paddle release, and after having had to carry my gun left handed for the last couple of months since breaking my right hand and having surgery thereon, I have even more love for the paddle release.

 

[ATLDave]

everyone who complains about the trigger guard mag release are the ones who suck (bonus points if you get the movie reference there).

I celebrate the guy's entire catalog.

 

[Winkman822]

I celebrate the guy's entire catalog.

And we have a winner!

 

[ATLDave]

I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people.

 

[John G C 1]

Options are good and create more sales. No need to fear them. Just buy what you like.

 

[Winkman822]

I'd have preferred to see HK do another run of USP Match pistols with a fiber optic front sight and updated P30 mag release

 

[sota]

Contact HK and see what they say about your suggestion. That's all you can do.

 

[Winkman822]

Contact HK and see what they say about your suggestion. That's all you can do.

It'll probably go the same place as the facilities recommendations at the county jail go.

 

[somethingbenign]

I'm okay with it. I actually hope (in vain I'm sure) that this starts a trend of offering pistol options for either a paddle release or a button release. If CZ came out with paddle release models I'd trade in all my CZs for new ones.

As an aside the clerk at my LGS made a point to try and sell me on the great improvments of the new VP9. Clearly he wasn't listening the last four or five times I carried on about my preference for the mag release on Walther and HK.