Holy Smokes! Someone in OH govt. gets it!

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Law makes it easier to hide gun in your car
Monday, September 8, 2008

THE ASSOCIATED PRESSMultimedia

CINCINNATI Concealed weapons permit holders now can keep a gun hidden in a car as long as they're carrying it in a secure holster, one of several changes to Ohio's conceal carry law taking effect today.

The law previously required the gun to be in plain sight.

Permit holders also may bring a gun onto school grounds as long as they are in a car picking up or dropping off a child.

Law-enforcement officials say the changes are common sense.

"The more law-abiding people that have guns, the better off we are," said Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters said.

"Because the bad guys always have guns," he said. "You look at these school shootings or church shootings, the ones that have been stopped, it was because someone there had a gun."

The changes also allow holders of valid liquor licenses who are also concealed weapons permit holders to carry a hidden gun on their premises.

In addition, the new law removes the burden of proof from a person who hurts or kills an intruder. The law now includes the presumption that a resident acted in self-defense or in defense of another if an intruder has entered unlawfully or without permission.

During debates over the burden-of-proof change, the Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence expressed concerns that the change would lead to more people taking the law into their own hands regardless of the circumstances.

Most county sheriffs said they have not had any trouble with concealed-carriers.

"By far, the vast majority of permit holders are law-abiding people," said Sgt. Monte Mayer, spokesman for the Butler County Sheriff's Office.

"They are getting the training, doing things the way they should under state law."

Between 2004 and 2007, more than 108,000 people received carry licenses in Ohio. Last year, the third full year of the law, Ohio sheriffs issued 22,103 licenses, an increase of nearly 18 percent from the previous year.

Permit holders can't be felons, must undergo a criminal background check, safety training course and pass a test. People who carry a concealed weapon without a license can be prosecuted.

The changes will make the conceal-carry law easier to interpret for citizens and police, said Clermont County Sheriff A. J. Rodenberg.

"But stand by, because they will be implemented next week and some new issue will come up and there's a possibility of even further changes if that happens," he added.

CHANGES IN OHIO'S HIDDEN GUN LAW

• Permit holders can now keep a gun hidden in a car as long as they're carrying it in a secure holster. The law previously required the gun to be in plain sight.

• Permit holders may bring a gun onto school grounds as long as they are in a car picking up or dropping off a child.

• Landlords no longer can prohibit licensed concealed weapons permit holders from having their weapons in apartments.

• Allows people without a license to carry concealed weapons in their homes as long as they aren't engaged in illegal activity.

• Decreases the penalty for failure to notify a police officer of one's permit status when stopped if the officer already received the information through a license plate check.

• Allows holders of valid liquor licenses who are also concealed weapons permit holders to carry a hidden gun on their premises.

• Includes the presumption that a resident who hurts or kills an intruder acted in self defense or in defense of another if the intruder has entered unlawfully or without permission.

SOURCE: AP Research

http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=429933&categoryID=13



Some very second rate reporting from the AP with many details "goofed" but I sure wish there were more men like Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters!

FFMedic
 
I just love the media's 'hidden gun" mantra.
Criminals must giggle every time they read that.
Wait...Do criminals take the time to read or listen to this MSM rhetoric?
No,they're too occupied committing crimes with their horrid hidden guns,a subject the MSM just never seems to bring up.
And the 'Birds don't even bother getting permits.Another loophole.
 
The rhetoric is really good, and it sounds like a nice improvement for you.

The main thing I have a problem with is a lot of these laws pertain to permit holders, people that pay for a privlidge, and some of them are things that should pertain to everyone whether they paid an annual (or bi annual etc) fee for an extra privelidge or not.

• Allows people without a license to carry concealed weapons in their homes as long as they aren't engaged in illegal activity.

• Allows holders of valid liquor licenses who are also concealed weapons permit holders to carry a hidden gun on their premises.

• Includes the presumption that a resident who hurts or kills an intruder acted in self defense or in defense of another if the intruder has entered unlawfully or without permission.

How sad, people in CA without a permit already have that, and you had to have a change in the law to add that, and in the case of the liqor license holder just for special permit holders?


In CA for example, yes even looney CA, anyone can have a firearm at thier own residence or business concealed or open carried and "castle doctrine' though not mentioned by that name has existed for a long time.
Yet this new change allows liqor license holders who also have a special permit requiring a tax (fee) in Ohio to have a firearm concealed at thier business?
Something any business owner without a permit can already do in CA.
You needed a change in law to allow people without permits to carry concealed in thier own homes, but in CA people can already do that. Even on thier own property, and in thier home, or business, both concealed or openly.
You also needed a change in the law that someone that is shot after breaking into a home or business is presumed to have been shot in self defense? CA has long had that.

You have almost caught up with CA on these issues, if only it applied to non permit holders too. That is not really anything to brag about, considering CA has some of the worst laws in the nation pertaining to firearms. Many of these things should have already been non issues.
 
Knew this was coming for a while and am so glad it's here, no more of what we call the "buckeye tuck" of having to unconceal your handgun when you get in a car...

As for Joe Deters, this guy is the man, our local news channel ran a story about a store owner that chased after a would be robber and emptied a 10 round, 22 lr revolver down the street as the man fled in the middle of the afternoon on a busy street in downtown Cincy... The store owner had been robbed 3 times in the past few months and decided to get his concealed carry permit and a gun. Why a 22 lr revolver I don't know!! Now the news reporter interviewing Joe Deters tried to put the liberal slant on it by saying the store owner broke the law by pursuing the would be robber into the street and firing at him and asking why he wouldn't be prosecuted. Joe Deters responded by saying "in a city like Cincinnati with our high crime and murder rate, there's no way I could get a jury to side with the bad guy" who in the surveilance video is sporting a black ski mask and wielding a shotgun. The reporter then asked to what extent a citizen could go in terms of vigilante justice. Deters responded with "I will not prosecute any person for using deadly force when defending their life, business or property"

And Sheriff Rodenberg of Clermont Co. is a really cool guy, he's pro-2nd amendment and I've heard will sign off for any Class III weapon. He's trained all his deputies on the concealed carry laws as well, never heard of anyone having a problem with them...
 
Allows people without a license to carry concealed weapons in their homes as long as they aren't engaged in illegal activity.

wow, I hope that is a clarification of pre-existing legal behavior and not a reversal of a previous law.
 
As expected, the news story got a lot of it wrong.

Concealed weapons permit holders now can keep a gun hidden in a car as long as they're carrying it in a secure holster, one of several changes to Ohio's conceal carry law taking effect today.

Not exactly. It can be concealed on the person, or in a glove box or console. It can be in another secured container, like a small lockbox. It can't be just shoved under a seat, between seats, etc.

The law previously required the gun to be in plain sight.

No it didn't. It had to be in plain sight *only* if worn on the person. If not worn in a holster on the person, it had to be locked in a glove box or other lockable container. Carry in consoles was not specifically allowed by the language of the law, even if lockable.

Permit holders also may bring a gun onto school grounds as long as they are in a car picking up or dropping off a child.

They should have clarified by adding, "...if the permit holder stays in the car."

K
 
• Allows people without a license to carry concealed weapons in their homes as long as they aren't engaged in illegal activity.
Is this a mistake? I find it very hard to believe that this could be illegal anywhere.
 
Actually, HB347 got rid of the Buckeye Tuck and allowed true concealed carry in a vehicle 18 months or so ago.

THis bill, SB184, makes it legal to carry in your car in other places besides a locked glove compartment.

It also does things like allow you to enter a school zone to drop off or pick up children as long as you stay in the car. It also makes it legal to use rest areas while armed.
Plus it gives us castle doctrine with a civil liability shield. Nice law!

For more information on this, or any other aspect of Ohio CCW, check out our forums and website, Ohioans for Concealed Carry:

http://ohioccw.org/

http://ohioccwforums.org/
 
Actually, HB347 got rid of the Buckeye Tuck and allowed true concealed carry in a vehicle 18 months or so ago.
The Ohio media never let details get in the way of a story that confuses the public about guns. That includes "conservative" radio media too.
 
This is a far cry from the years before the pre-emption where Cinci had a pretty thorough weapons ban in place.
Word spreads amongst the crooks. You don't rob some place where they'll get a pat on the back for shooting a criminal. Whenever the rules change there's always an adjustment period. There's going to be criminals getting shot dead, and a corrosponding increase in level of violence that the criminals use first (i.e. shooting the clerk from the get-go), but it'll all settle down and we'll have an armed, polite society here again.

Criminals strike when they have the least to lose, but when you make their life the likely minimum payment, they usually think twice.
 
I thought most elementary schools required parents come inside the school and sign the child out, even at the end of the day?

Kharn
 
This is a far cry from the years before the pre-emption where Cinci had a pretty thorough weapons ban in place.

Today we have preemption. Whether we will have preemption next week or next month remains to be seen.
 
Too bad the transport law is set in stone now for what constitutes a "loaded" firearm. Ah well...maybe in time we can change that.
 
D-Day, I personally would like the next big goal for Ohio CCW to be allowing carry in establishments that have a liquor license for consumption, but derive 51% or more of their income from non-alcohol sources...

Meaning, I can carry when I go to dinner at a restaurant.

It's already illegal to carry a gun while under the influence.

I'm already "trusted" by the state with a concealed carry license.

Why can't they trust me to carry my gun in Applebee's and not drink?
 
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