Hornet dilemma

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Had a Ruger 77/22 that couldn't hit a barn from the inside, so it went away. So I have the LGS order in a CZ in .22 Hornet back in January. It finally comes in, but I'm looking at the rack and they have a CZ in .17 Hornet. Haven't gone with either one yet. Dilemma time.

I handload and neither would most likely ever see a factory round,

Thoughts?
 
I have owned them both. The trouble with the 22 Hornet in a magazine fed rifle is bullet seating depth for accuracy. Plus, the 22 hornet headspaces on the rim which adds to problems with accuracy. IMO the 22 Hornet is best served in a single shot rifle. I have a Ruger No 1 in Hornet and have developed sub 1/2" moa groups. But I wouldn't give you two cents for a bolt action hornet unless it was rechambered to K Hornet. A friend of mine had a Ruger 77 hornet and couldn't get it to shoot so he had it rechambered to K Hornet and it would shoot 3/4" 100 yd groups. As to the 17 Hornet, my CZ shot 3/4" 100 yd groups right out of the box with factory ammo. Problem with reloading is I really don't think an optimal powder for this caliber is available at the moment. Bear in mind that the 17 Hornet is really a 150 yd rifle for small varmints. Keeping that in mind, it does a terrific job.
 
Well I know for a fact that if I had my FFL order a low demand rifle and didnt follow through with the purchase, they'd never order for me again...:scrutiny:
 
He doesn't care which one sells. For that matter, I've bought enough there that I probably wouldn't have to get either...

but I will
 
I have a number of Hornets and all of mine do their best with light bullets in the 34-40 grain range. The Sierra 40 grain Blitz King used to be my Hornet test. If it would not group the 40s, that dog won't hunt. Some time ago Midway had a good deal on a 34 grain bullet and I bought them as they were cheap. They shoot very well especially for the money. Good luck with your Hornet.

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I have a Ruger 77/22 Hornet that didn't shoot well untill someone gave me some loading tips for the fussy Hornet. Use Lil"Gun for the powder. Small pistol primers. Get the Lee collet die. Using these improved accuracy and consistency. Plus case life is improved due to less working of the brass. If I can find the post I'll put a link up. It was on another site. Made the Ruger a real shooter. Good luck. Vern refreshed my memory.
 
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The trouble with the 22 Hornet in a magazine fed rifle is bullet seating depth for accuracy.

I worked with my Hornet (a Kimber M82) off and on for quite a while before I found the secret.

1. Fire form your cases. Hornet case dimensions are quite generous compared to the case. You won't get much accuracy until your case fits your chamber.

2. Disturb the fire formed case as little as possible. Use Lee Collet Dies, which put no stress on the case walls.

3. Size only the front half of the neck. With collet dies, which activate when the inner portion of the die contacts the shell holder, put a couple of washers on the shell holder to make it activate early. When you only size the front half of the neck, the rear half acts as a pilot, centering the case in the throat.

4. Use 35-grain Hornady V-Max bullets. You want to load so the beginning of the ogive is right up against the lede. The 35-grain V-Max has a very short nose, so you can load it well out and it will still feed through the magazine.

5. Use Hodgdon's Li'l Gun. Li'l Gun has a low but prolonged peak, giving high velocity with low pressures. A Hornady rep told me, "You can't get enough Li'l Gun into a Hornet case to blow it up."

6. I hold the case with a small pair of pliers and dip the powder from a butter dish -- fill the entire case. then tap it to settle the powder. I put the charged case in a loading block then check them all with a flashlight -- any case that has more or less powder than the others is dumped and re-charged.

Loaded like this, my Kimber gives 0.5" groups and beats 3,000 fps.
 
I finally found a load my 77/22 Hornet likes. It involves neck sizing only with a bushing die, sizing only part of the neck, and 40 V Max's. I have some 40 gr Blitz Kings, but have not tried them yet. I would not buy another 77/22 in .22 Hornet.

The .17 is a neat round, I would be sorely tempted by a CZ in .17. (Or .22 Hornet)
 
thanks for all the replies. I also posted tis on a varmint forum where a lot of the guys are a lot of experience with various rifles. Same consensus, that the .22 is preferable over the .17. Looks like I'll very likely go with that.

Really appreciate all the loading tips. The Hornet is obviously a creature unto itself. What I really liked before is that it's got excellent performance with very little muzzle blast.
 
Mr. Walkalong is exactly right about using bushing dies when loading for the Hornet. Assuming you have a basically accurate Hornet to begin with (Which many Hornets aren't) using the correct neck bushing and a chamber type bullet seating die (Such as Wilson) will often significantly improve accuracy.
 
As I mentioned earlier, I use collet dies -- they have about the same effect. The key is, fire form your brass to fit your chamber and only size the first half of the neck -- use the lower unsized half to center the bullet in the throat.
 
I agree completely with the advice to reload with Hodgon Li'l Gun. Also agree with using the light for caliber bullets in the 35 and 40 grain weights.

I have recently switched to collet dies because case life was severely limited due to case neck splitting when full length sizing.
 
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