Hospital blocks THR for illegal weapons.

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I am at the hospital with my wife. We are in the maternity ward. I am on the wireless connection that the hospital has setup for guests and patients. They have pretty much everything blocked even THR. Nevermind how i am still able to post while being at the hospital. I'm not even allowed to tunnel or vnc to my own computer at home. As it may allow viruses onto their systems. Even though this wireless network is completely isolated from all hospital systems. Hell for this network there isn't even any servers, it's all done through wireless routers.

Anyhow, when I tried to go to THR it says this website has been blocked for your protection. The reason being is weapons and illegal activities. Wow did you know that ALL guns are illegal? This is complete and utter lunacy. If you guys want to call them up and protest that you are blocked by this place it is Providence Portland Medical Center. Now it's one thing if this were an employee thing but it's not. This access is STRICTLY for patients and guests. This is a SERIOUS violation of our 2nd amendment and 1st amendment rights. I advise everyone to call them up. It's in Portland Oregon. Providence Portland Medical Center.
 
Not a violation really, just a bad business decision. If you don't like it, take your business elsewhere and let them know why.
 
i was in the maternity ward here in michigan (genesys) from the 15th thru the 18th and WAS able to access THR....i was worried that i would be unable to get my firearms fix while there with my wife and brand new daughter.
sorry to hear that they wouldn't allow you to freely surf the interweb....but congrats on the new addition to your family!!!
 
The bill of rights restricts governments, NOT private organizations. They can block whatever they like.
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At what point does a 'private organization' become a public organization or institution?

At what point does a public institution or organization start to govern?

If Ted Turner owned all of Nebraska, or Bank of America owned 85% (or 25%, or 40%) of all land in the US, could they impose similar restrictions upon that land, Constitutionally?

I'm just wondering: to what degree can you take "capitalism" literally while still remaining within the constrains of the Constitution?
 
If Ted Turner owned all of Nebraska, or Bank of America owned 85% (or 25%, or 40%) of all land in the US, could they impose similar restrictions upon that land, Constitutionally?
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Actually Ted Turner owns much of New Mexico. Hasn't changed the laws much though. And yes in theroy he could say what you could could not do on his land subject to the laws of the Federal, State and Municipal government. If you don't follow his rules he can ask you to leave and charge you with tresspassing if you refuse to go.

At what point does a 'private organization' become a public organization or institution?
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Never. Just because you "feel" a supermarket must provide you with food does not mean that it has to.

At what point does a public institution or organization start to govern?
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Never.
 
Filters

What has happened is employers are worried about lawsuits and are putting filters on sites so that "offensive material" is blocked.

Of course offensive is subjective.

One hospital I worked at didn't have filters and alot of us were web surfing, but of course it only takes one person to screw things up.

Someone was using a clerk's computer off hours and didn't log off a porn site.

The Porn site was one of the worst and offensive ones. My co workers told me the name of the site and what was on it. While most stuff would make me yawn and say whatever, this site would gross me out which is why I never visited it.

When the clerk came in on a monday, she opened her computer and of course was "highly offended".

The hospital management wasn't too happy and resolved the issue by putting in heavy filters. To say the **** hit the fan would be an understatement.

Of course these filters ahve problems. Doctors can't access many sites for legitimate reasons because the filters block things out, think breasts.

Many in the medical profession are anti gun. If someone was anti car, they would be referred to therapy and possible psych evaluation.

I guess certain mental illnesses are politically acceptable. The thing about weapons became an issue post 9-11. Guess they are afraid people are gong to make bombs or do other terrorist things.

Nicki
 
Uh, so what if a governmental entity did do it?

Let's say for arguments sake, that the hospital was government based.

They could still block it, cite security concerns, and wait years for the courts to render a decision.
 
Uh, so what if a governmental entity did do it?

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Let's say for arguments sake, that the hospital was government based.

They could still block it, cite security concerns, and wait years for the courts to render a decision.
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Now you are just being silly. The government still owns the computers even if the government is owned by everyone. I am typing on a government leased computer at this very second. They have all kinds of blocks, filters and monitor it in every way possible. They don't block THR because THR is careful not to violate Federal laws.

I would be at work but the dust storms are hideous right now...
 
Let's say for arguments sake, that the hospital was government based.
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Even if the hospital was government owned/run. And they blocked patients from accessing internet sites. So what? It's their computer system you are accessing. Is it your right to access a government computer system and go wherever on the internet you want to?

Internet access via someone else's network, whether it is the government's or another citizen's connection is either a priviledge or a security hole. Either way, unless you are specifically paying for uncensored internet service, you have no rights.

Now if the government comes out with a ban list that all ISP's must follow, I would take an exception to that.
 
Now if the government comes out with a ban list that all ISP's must follow, I would take an exception to that.
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Now that would be a thing of beauty. I wonder how long it would be before the banned mirror sites are overrun with traffic and forced to shut down. It would not be the first time the government was a laughing stock.
 
Giving the hospital a break for a second it is likely not their fault. THR ends up in many web filters as a weapons site, which it is. The content filter software they chose for whatever reason lumps weapons and illegal activities together. The hospital for obvious reasons does not want illegal things searched on on their equipment.

I have done this many times at many customers including two hospitals, we block large categories and then see who screams. If management is ok with opening up the site then it is added to the whitelist. It is not financially viable for an IT department to proactively poke through the categories of the web filters for mis categorized sites, it is up to the users to bring it up to get them fixed.

Also, guest access to the web is a total sideline to most businesses. They throw up the access and a filter, get the defaults up to block sites with potential liability and call it good.

So... did you ask the hospital or are you just complaining about it here?

Oh, and it is not a 2nd amendment thing. As an IT person I get that argument all the time when putting in new filtering systems. The hospital can block whatever they want on their network just like mods here can delete any thread they find offensive.
 
I grew up in Portland, Oregon. I still think of Portland as home. However, sometime in the seventies and eighties, the liberal moonbats took over. There are now enough of the 'gimme a handout' voting block to ensure the dominance of the socialist minded.

And that follows into 'society' and the commercial realms as well. When the underlying social structure becomes 'liberal', most other organizations become 'liberal' as well. Sort of a monkey see, monkey do mentality.

I really find that a shame. Portland is such a nice place geographically and climatically. The people are by and large pretty decent as well. The people there didn't used to wet their collective pants whenever the word 'gun' was spoken aloud. Perhaps when the tax burden becomes too great on the producers, the balance will swing back.

However, with all that in mind, private organizations are free to impose their own rules for their own reasons. The only recourse one has is to make it uncomfortable - financially or socially (and lawfully, of course) - to impose those rules you don't like.
 
Private organizations are being used by the government to bypass our civil liberties. US citizens will have their 2A rights long after our other rights have dissolved.
 
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