How bad did I mess up? :\

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So I'd recently bought my first long gun, a vz. 58 imported by Century Arms Internation as the VZ-2008. I'm about as knowledgeable about firearms as one can be without actually having much in the way of hands on, practical experience. That being said, I made a mistake.

With my handguns I take great care when running patches through the barrels. I use a brass rod, keep the rod from contacting the rifling or crown, and push the rod in one direction from the chamber to muzzle end. I'm aware of how certain practices can damage the crown or rifling. That being said, the first two times I cleaned my vz. 58 I faced a new scenario for me and did the wrong thing. First, when cleaning a field stripped vz. 58, one has to run the rod in the direction from muzzle to chamber. I know this is a general no-no, but it's how the rifle is designed, so it's okay. None of the tools I had would work with the vz. 58, so I relied on the cleaning kit which came with the rifle — of surplus Czech origin. I didn't fully recognize all components of the cleaning kit, specifically what I later identified as an oil bottle and also a bore guide. My mistake stems from my failing to recognize I had a bore guide at my disposal the first two times I cleaned the rifle.

The cleaning rod which came with the rifle, and the one I used to clean it, was steel. Because I didn't realize I had a bore guide, I had to push the rod and patch down the barrel from crown to chamber and pull it back out again. Sometimes I was aware that the sides of the steel rod were making contact with the crown and the rifling, and other times I could feel that the tip of the rod was making contact with the rifling. Aware of what I was doing, I tried to keep the pressure very light so as to minimize any damage to the crown or rifling. In the future I'll be using a bore guide, and needless to say I won't make this mistake again. However, I'd like to know your opinion on how much damage I did to the gun so far...

I've only improperly cleaned it on two occasions. I used a steel cleaning rod, no bore guide, and the steel rod's head and side was in contact with both the crown and the rifling. I tried to use light force and pressure to minimize any potential damage. Do you think any damage has been done to either the rifling or the crown? If any damage occurred, will it negatively impact the performance of the rifle? I'm hoping that any microscopic damage is negligible and will never noticeably impact the accuracy of the rifle.

I shined a light and looked at the rifling and the crown, and there were no glaring issues which stood out to me. Keep in mind though that I'm inexperienced and would likely have trouble to spot minor damage that a more seasoned eye would pick up on. I have no photos to share with y'all, and I would be back with the rifle for two more months since I'm in a different state for the time being.

Thanks for reading this, and thanks for trying to answer my questions
 
I doubt if it hurt a thing.
How many military rifles get cleaned from the muzzle all over the world every day??

As long as you don't put a ding in the actual crown it won't hurt the bore.

It was designed & made to shoot steel jacket 7.62x39 ammo, right?

I wouldn't worry about it one little bit.

rc
 
It takes a lot more than one or two cleanings,,,

It takes a lot more than one or two cleanings,,,
Even with a steel cleaning rod.

I wouldn't worry about it too much,,,
Just use the bore guide from now on.

Aarond

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Agree with above. It takes more than one cleaning. Take it to the range and assuage your fears there.
 
Yeah, you guys put me at ease :) I mean I know in my head it's not much to worry about, but what can I say — I get overprotective about my guns, haha. Her name's Milada, by the way ;D

I'll make sure to use the bore guide from now on and to use my patches properly so that the steel rod doesn't erode the barrel
 
Better yet, spend a few bucks and get a brass cleaning rod, which is much softer than barrel steel and much less likely to damage the rifling. And, continue using the bore guide. I use this combination with a M1A SuperMatch, no sign of any damage.
 
If I may interject again.

I use nothing but one-peice, polished stainless steel rods in the shop.

Brass rods are soft enough they can sometimes get fine grit embedded in them and become round, fine, lapping tools that will wear the bore.

Jointed steel military rods have sharp rough joints that can act as scrapers.

A polished s/s rod is as slick as the bore, and can be wiped off every pass, with no possible chance of embedded grit sticking to it.

Bottom line?
Jointed steel GI cleaning rods are bad!

MmmmmKay?

rc
 
Sorry, RC, but based on my own experience I don't buy the 'embedded grit' narrative. Maybe if you are in the US Southwest or some Sandbox, and you can't be bothered wiping off the cleaning rod before use. I've got stainless rods and use them for cleaning from the breech, but my closed-breech rifles clean with brass rods. Your mileage may vary...
 
AK style rifles were designed to be used by illiterate peasants. I wouldn't worry about it. Not like you're going to ruin it's "minute of man" accuracy anyway.
 
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