How believable accuratepowder.com is?? Read this statement...

[saturno_v]

I was looking at the 300 Savage loading data after reading the Polar Bear story and this is a line in the 300 Savage page on accuratepowder that caught my eye:

"Introduced by Savage Arms Company for the Model 99 lever action in 1920, the .300 Savage was intended to duplicate the performance of the original U.S. Ball Cartridge, caliber .30, Model of 1906."

Ok...can the experts clarify for me how a 47.000 psi cartridge (SAAMI specs) can match the performance of a 60.000 psi cartridge which has, give or take, at least 1/4 bigger case capacity? (they are of the same caliber and both bottlenecked design)

Was the original U.S. Ball Cartridge, caliber .30, Model of 1906 specs a much more sedate cartridge than the "modern" 30-06? (the current commercial offering ballistic data is the same since the 1960s af far as I know)

Thanks!!

 

[SSN Vet]

300 Savage was side by side in contention with .308 Win.

Just read all the threads debating whether .308 and .30-06 are "equivalent" or not.

If I understand correctly, back in that day it was advances in med. burn rate smokeless powder that enabled the .308 to generate very similar performance, and that .30-06 couldn't take advantage of it's add'l case capacity.

The drummer of time keeps on beating however, and in more recent times the advent of very slow burning powders, combined with heavier bullets has given .30-06 the edge once again. But all the mil. surp guys know better than to shoot these kinds of loads in their Garands.

But regardless of all that, I would love to get a model 99 in 300 Savage.

 

[saturno_v]

Furthermore, if you read the ballistic in the accuratepowder loading data for the 300 Savage, they are almost a match for the 308 Winchester (a 62.000 psi cartridge with still a slightly bigger case)

However the commercial offering ballistic data for the 300 Savage shows a much more sedate cartridge, a bit above the performance of the 30-30 Winchester which seems logic to me given the pressure specs and case capacity.

 

[918v]

The original 30-06 Military load offered a 150gr bullet at 2500 FPS. It did not operate at 60,000 PSI because the original Springfield rifles were not strong enough. Later in time, heat treatment improved, and the rifles could use the hottest of loads, but the originals were sort of "fragile".

 

[454PB]

A man that handloads the .308 Win. can better a factory loaded 30/06, but if he handloads both cartridges, not so.

 

[Stumper]

Original specs for the 30/06 were 150 gr @ 2700 FPS. The .300 Savage came close speced at 2600fps.

 

[Jesse Heywood]

The statement says that the 300 Savage intended to duplicate the 30-06. That doesn't mean or say that they actually did duplicate.

So the statement is not a falsehood or fabrication.

 

[ants]

Here's the problem I have with the Original Post

Why blame Accurate Powder?




Go read ANY history of the 300 Savage. They all say the same thing. Savage advertised that their intent was to approach 30-'06 performance, and they tried. Even Savage says so.




Accurate Powder is only reporting the development history of the cartridge. Why does that make Accurate so unbelievable?

 

[saturno_v]

Here's the problem I have with the Original Post

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Why blame Accurate Powder?




Go read ANY history of the 300 Savage. They all say the same thing. Savage advertised that their intent was to approach 30-'06 performance, and they tried. Even Savage says so.




Accurate Powder is only reporting the development history of the cartridge. Why does that make Accurate so unbelievable?

Actually I was no blaming accuratepowder and sorry if it came out this way.

I just had hard time believing that statement, no matter who wrote it. Unless the original 30-06 was a much more sedate cartridge than it is today. I knew it was a bit less hot than modern 30-06 loading but not by that much.

 

[ranger335v]

"Introduced by Savage Arms Company for the Model 99 lever action in 1920, the .300 Savage was intended to duplicate the performance of the original U.S. Ball Cartridge, caliber .30, Model of 1906."

It was true enough at the time but that was some 90 years ago. Doesn't make any difference now, and hasn't for a LOOONG time.

 

[Ol` Joe]

The 300 Savage was intended to take advantage of newer propellants and steel to compete with the 30-06 in the late 20s early 30s. The 308 was also developed with the same thought in mind and fell as short as the old 300 did, about 100-150 fps. The same advances the 300 and 308 took advantage of also improved the 30-06 performance and raised the bar each time. it is not the fault of the other cartridges and they still came very close to achieving the original spec`s 150gr @ 2700 fps, the 300 with a 150@ 2630 fps and the 308 with the same bullet @ 2800 fps.
If you were to look at the 06 today the same 150gr bullet is running over 3000 fps in some ammo, with the 308 hi velocity loads going ~ 2950 or exceeding the std 06 load of a 150gr @ 2910.