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How can i tell if my gun I bought was actually used?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by desert gator, Mar 20, 2009.

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  1. desert gator

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    I bought my first gun, a walther pps. I was under the impression that it was a new gun but some things have caused me to question this.
    1. There is slight wear on the finish of the barrel in one spot
    2. The case it came in was broken where the plastic acts as a hinge for the two sides
    3. The registration card it came with had what looked like a dirt smudge
    4. It was inspected in March of 2008, one years seems like a long time for it to go from the inspection to the gun shop I bought it at?

    How can I tell if this gun was used? Do gun shops sometimes sell used guns as new? If I am not the first owner do I still have a warranty on the gun?
     
  2. chris in va

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    Look down the barrel. If it's all shiny and clean, probably NIB. Sometimes guns sit around in a warehouse for a while before heading out to the gun stores.
     
  3. desert gator

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    yes very clean and shiny down the barrel
     
  4. jeepmor

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    Look at the breach face closely.
     
  5. desert gator

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    sorry jeepmor I dont know what the breach face is. Ill google it and come back
     
  6. Yo Mama

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    Really, they are all used! Most companies fire a round before you get it for legal purposes.
     
  7. .cheese.

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    Unfortunately, this makes it sometimes tough to tell if what you're buying is really NIB or not.

    What would be nice is if they cleaned it afterwards - or do they?
     
  8. Yo Mama

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    I've never had them do me the favor :D Wish they did!
     
  9. 10-Ring

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    Like most machines, a factory will quality test. It's possible it sat some where for a while -- you know, as long as you got a good deal -- just enjoy it!
     
  10. desert gator

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    Thanks for the replies guys, I love the gun and it works great. I was just concerned about it possibly being used because the guy told me it was new, if he was not honest I will not give them anymore business. (Unless its a killer deal:))
     
  11. 2nd 41

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    I bought a Gold Cup Trophy from Cabelas. There are 2 small abnormal nicks on the frame rail and some light scratches on the stainless slide. I wondered if it was a NIB also. Must be something wrong with us. We expect a perfect finish with no noticeable flaws on new purchases.
     
  12. jmr40

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    A 1 year old gun still in inventory is not unusual at all. It depends on where it was purchased. Bigger buyers such as Walmart buy guns by the truck load and they may sit for years before they sell all of them.

    Several years ago when the K-Marts in California stopped selling guns they sent their inventory to K-marts in other parts of the country. I picked up a "new", 10 year old Marlin 336 with walnut stock. It still had the 10 year old price tag on it. It was $20 less than the new birch stocked version setting in the case beside it.
     
  13. SCKimberFan

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    Remember: manufacturer to shipper to importer to distributor to store to you. A year is not really all that long.

    The smudge on the card was probably caused by someone with dirty hands handling it.

    Plastic case - plastic breaks.
     
  14. Storm

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    Nothing that you mention, even all together, would lead me to suspect that the gun was fired by a previous owner.

    Enjoy!
     
  15. Jason_G

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    +1.

    Breech face is the best indicator that I know of, and is easily accessed.

    Jason
     
  16. Sport45

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    If you can see where the firing pin comes out of the slide to strike the primer you're looking at the breech face.
     
  17. desert gator

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    Yes looked at breach face and I can definently see the outline of where the bullet sits
     
  18. Guns and more

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    Used to you means that the gun was fired.
    Used to a dealer may mean the gun was never sold and transfered.
    It may have sat in his showcase for a year and been handled thousands of times, or taken to gun shows every week. It's still new.
    I thought all guns are fired once at the factory, most include the casing.
    After that, if you're happy with the gun, keep it and move on.
     
  19. Sport45

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    If you've taken it to the range and shot it, it's used.

    It sounds like you need to take it to the range and shoot it! That way you'll know for sure.

    There's not enough difference in price between a new and a like-new used gun to be worrying now about whether you were ripped off. If the bill of sale says you bought a new gun then you have the warranty.
     
  20. Hikingman

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    If the seller says it's new, then it's new? No seller would ever misrepresent or ask an unreasonable price.:cool:
     
  21. CWL

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    The PPS is made in Germany and Walther does not have that great a distribution network in the USA, nor is it as in-demand as more 'famous' firearms as Glock, S&W, etc. It could easily take one year from manufacture/proofing, shipping, warehousing, distribution, final sales.

    If you "love" the gun and can't tell whether new or not, why should it bother you?
     
  22. Ala Dan

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    As my friend chris in va has pointed out, once a handgun is completed on the
    assembly line, it does not mean that it is shipped to a distributor the very
    next day. They process orders as they come in; often times sitting in factories
    of origin for weeks (maybe months), before heading to their next destination.
    Then, upon arrival at the distributor they are logged into the warehouse
    [federal tracking system]; where they may again sit for awhile. Finally,
    when a dealer places an order for that particular make and model; these
    weapons are pulled from inventory and shipped too your local FFL.

    On its travels, things can happen~! I would be willing too bet that all en-
    route firearms are not treated equally~! Handguns are boxed into much
    larger cardboard boxes with NO identifying marks on the outside; before
    being loaded onto FedEx or UPS trucks that will make its way to shipping
    and receiving. There it again will be processed for shipment, and most
    likely overnighted to the receiving FFL dealer. All along the way, the
    federal tracking number is used for each firearm; in case of theft-fire
    or what have you.

    As a footnote, I would bet that a dockworker late in his shift on a Friday
    afternnon, is not going too take the greatest of care when handling these
    shipments~! :eek: :uhoh: :(

    PS: Also, only buy from reputable FFL dealers~! Last week, I sold a Stoeger
    Cougar .40S&W NIB to a customer, only too find out upon closer examination
    that one on the case hinges was broken off in shipment. I ask the gentleman
    if he wanted me to knock $5.00 off the sale price, or give him a new Dosko
    Sports hard case~? He opted for the hard case, and everybody left happy.

    ALWAYS INSPECT EACH AND EVERY FIREARM THAT YOU WISH TOO BUY~!
    This helps elimate almost all of the problems associated with shipping.
     
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  23. oldFred

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    Don't forget all the people who may have looked at it during the year before you bought it.

    Taurus manuals says that every gun is fired before it leaves the factory (and left dirty! :banghead:)


    With the barrel being clean, I would be suspicious! :uhoh:
     
  24. maksim

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    take the gun apart and see, but if you shot it already, then it could be your use.

    I clean my guns after every time to the range. lol, call me anal.

    It could of really been sitting on the shelves for a while, or box cracked during transport.

    If it shoots fine, and you didnt overpay, be happy and go enjoy it.
     
  25. Rod m1

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    It could have been a display gun.
     
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