How Did Your Senator Vote On Holder?

[Ditto_95]

Both of mine voted no. Kentucky!

 

[Fisherman_48768]

Levin D, Michigan yea
Debbie Stabenow D, Michigan yea
But I didn't vote for either of them so don't blame it on me.

 

[TooTaxed]

I wrote individual strong letters to Georgia's Isakson and Chamblis, both Republicans, who both voted for confirmation. I received a response only from Isakson, who explained that he did question Holder about his stand on the 2nd Amendment, and was assured that Holder would follow the Supreme Court decision, and that otherwise his credentials were excellent.

I responded that Holder's statement did not mean he would not severely limit specific guns the people would be able to have. I told him of the discussion I had had with a local member of the Georgia Democratic Committee, who admitted they would go along with the individual right to own guns...and then said, "You realize, of course, that when the 2nd Amendment was written, it referred to single-shot muzzle-loaders!":banghead:

 

[Eightball]

Both of mine voted no. Kentucky!

Go KY!

 

[glock2740]

Very dissapointed in Arkansas' vote, but they are a couple of dimocrats. Oh sorry, I didn't spell that right. I meant dumbocrats.

 

[Rifleman6555]

Both of the Dempublican Senatorial bitches here in Maine slithered into their secret Democrat robes for this vote and for the Unstimulating Package. I haven't cared for either one since they voted out of party NOT to impeach Klinton. They don't deserve the Republican name I call them Dempublicans.

 

[gossamer]

Can someone point me to what makes Holder anti-RKBA? I'm just curious what his record is on this.

 

[Cyborg]

What Makes Holder Anti-RKBA?

Can someone point me to what makes Holder anti-RKBA? I'm just curious what his record is on this.

Glad you asked. Hope others here will chime in.

Probably the biggest beef we all have with our new AGUS is that he joined in an amici curiae brief in District of Columbia v. Heller arguing that the Second Amendment does not guarantee individual rights and supporting the D.C. handgun ban. Here is the Wiki article on DC v Heller: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

Everything I can find about Mr. Holder indicates a career-long track record opposing RKBA. IMO he is easily the most anti-2A AGUS in history.

Does that help?

Cyborg

 

[MrM4]

South Dakota, Johnson let us down yet again

 

[gossamer]

Thanks for filling in the gaps in my awareness on Holder. I hadn't heard about his brief in that case. I will expect that he's being honest when he says what he said in his confirmation hearing:

Holder said the Obama administration would only look at relatively minor gun laws, such as closeing the gun-show loophole, or banning "cop killer" bullets that penetrate bulletproof vests. Otherwise, Holder indicated, the new administration is unlikely to pursue new initiatives on this front.

Holder had been among those arguing that the Second Amendment provided for a "collective," not individual right to bear arms. The Supreme Court found otherwise, though, and Holder said that debate has now been resolved.

"We now know that is not the case," said Holder of his position on the collective right to bear arms. "It is a major difference."

I'll also expect that Obama stays true to his words when he said that he believes the Second Amendment gives individuals the right to bear arms. Not just militias.

And I'll challenge if either does otherwise. For me, my strategy is to continue to remind them, especially the ELECTED official, of their constitutional obligations. Sometimes when I call or lobby a congress person or elected official I forget to remind them of their constitutional mandate and instead get mired in the weeds of a specific issue.

So, when I look at how my senators voted (both yea - one R and one D) I guess that reflects some careful deliberation, reflection of their constituents, their duty to the constitution, and good old fashioned politics. And that's what I expect of them.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

Michigan's illustrious senators did what I expected them to do.

 

[MT GUNNY]

I wrote our two MT senators , in which they Ignored.

I'm Beginning to realize that writing our Reps is useless. Of the Calls to Washington on the Stimulus was 9to1 Against the plan. yet it still past!

 

[JImbothefiveth]

such as closeing the gun-show loophole, or banning "cop killer" bullets

The anti-gun people are very good at making items sound intimidating. Here's what those really mean.

Gun show loophole: The fact that private sales do not require a NICS background check. If they ened this, you would not be able to sell a gun to another individual, even you own grandma, without going through a NICS background check. You can't preform this check, only an authorized firearms dealer can, and you will usually have to pay said dealer a fee.


"Cop Killer" bullets. This one varies. Sometimes it means hollowpoints or other expanding ammunition. These bullets are often legally required for hunting, and for self-defense they help prvent inocent bystanders from getting hurt. They also are more effective for self defense than FMJ, perhaps the only caliber effective for self-defense with FMJ is .45 ACP.

The other definition of "cop killer" is those that will go through a certain level of armor. One bill proposed banning anything that could go through a a level II vest. This include a lot of 9mm rounds, a lot of .357 magnum rounds, and most .44 magnum rounds. This also bans the 30-30, the .308, and even 12 gauge slugs. This could also possibly include the .17 HMR and non-toxic shotgun loads, like those used in duck hunting. Some .22 ammo might even be outlawed under that bill. (Thankfully, this bill didn't make it)