How Do You Defend A House?

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Imagine just a typical American home, sheet-rock & 2x4's, separated from its neighboring houses by a few yards on either side by some lawn, shrubs and a wooden fence. In a situation like that in New Orleans, yourself in that house, what would be the "doctrine" for defending the home from, say, a squad of (fill-in-the-blank, National Guard, Army, whatever) intent on flushing you out?
Or maybe it's an impossible battle problem?
 
I think the best bet you would have is stall and retreat,I have a feeling that there aren't many members here that wouldn't shoot if they saw someone trying to come in their home training weapons on them or loved ones.

Hit them at the front door but make sure you have a path of retreat and grab as much ammo as you can on the way out,if you made it to another home that is un-occipied hole up and try the same thing again,hit and run,hit and run, and hit and run until you either have no more ammo,are dead or they've stopped trying to persue you and go after a softer target.
 
The way I see it is that it's no longer unlawful to shoot at "Peace Officers" if you were in a situation like that in N.O.,the way I see it is that it's about survival.
 
Just my .02

I don't think it's possible. If you had say 5-6 friends all with appropriate training and practice maybe you could do something, but one or 2 people and you're screwed. (even 5-6 people with appropriate training isn't probably enough) JMHO.
 
With lots of these? :D
 

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If you really plan on defending a home from an organized force, you first want to determine what kind of force you're dealing with. Generally speaking, a police force will try to clear a house with minimum damage to property. This doesn't mean they won't tear out walls, just that it likely won't be the first tactic that they'll adopt. Military, all bets are off. If they need to use an AT-4 on your front door they will.

Next question, if these are *government* forces, why are you resisting so fanatically? Your best bet is to videotape the incident for the lawsuit to follow later. Homeowner's insurance can replace belongings, but it can't replace your loved ones' and your lives. Live to fight 'em in court. I'm sure there are legions of lawyers trying to figure out what they can sue for over the situation in NO even as we speak.

If it's looters we're talking about, a fire team size unit with AR and AK clones should do the trick quite nicely.

YMMV, IANAL, all the usual disclaimers.
 
>> The way I see it is that it's no longer unlawful to shoot at "Peace Officers" ... <<

Say again??? If you shoot at, let alone hit a "peace officer," you will probably be removed from whatever is left of your house in a bodybag. :scrutiny:
 
right, lets not forget these are the same people that have been taking guns from people illegally, as well as removing them from their homes... they probably already have a complex of "invulnerability" agaist american citizens and won't hesitate to fire first, ask questions later...

I think you should videotape the incedent, by a hidden camera and make sure all the guns they take are in view of the camera, and dont tell them of the kel tec 380 in your back pocket :D
 
The question is not much different than the ones that have been asked earlier about home invasions vs. mistaken police raid. It's simply a lose/lose situation. If you know it is the police, it makes little sense to entertain a firefight. They have more men with more guns and more training outside your door. If it is military, as someone stated, they will not look to taking your life as a last resort, but rather as a pretty good idea. Apparently our standing army and vast 'law enforcement' community amount to a de facto gestapo, if NO is any measure of our reality.

Sure, your rights and property are absolutely yours, unless they would rather you not have them, in the spirit of public safety and efficiency of course.
 
Defending against an trained organzed force, government or otherwise, is an impossible situation from within a normal home. The walls don't protect you other than you are less likely to be seen. With infarred, that also is a problem. RUN
 
Long range precision fire on target, flank, fire, retreat, leave the area. Nobody in their right mind would ever try and "defend" a position against superior forces. Been watching too much rambo.......
 
Perhaps this question is wrongly phrased. I would not seek to defend my "house", but my family. A house is just another possession that can be replaced - I have insurance against any hazard that I'm likely to face, so why bother trying to defend something whose loss won't financially affect me? As for my possessions, I have relatively few things that are of great value, and few that are of great sentimental importance. Those things can be packed up and moved with relative ease. Sure, I have a gunsafe full of weapons, but those, too, are insured, and I can take enough with me in a vehicle-based bug-out to ensure that anything of great financial and/or sentimental value goes with me.

Now, on the road or in my "bug-out" location, I might have occasion to defend what I have with me: but that's a different tactical problem. It's up to me to select places that are readily defensible, and to co-ordinate my activities with others who've bugged out with me or who are in my bug-out location. A team approach will always be more flexible and adaptable than a one-man defense.

Of course, a few claymores in a daisy-chain configuration make things a bit simpler... :D
 
Imagine just a typical American home, sheet-rock & 2x4's, separated from its neighboring houses by a few yards on either side by some lawn, shrubs and a wooden fence. In a situation like that in New Orleans, yourself in that house, what would be the "doctrine" for defending the home from, say, a squad of (fill-in-the-blank, National Guard, Army, whatever) intent on flushing you out?
Or maybe it's an impossible battle problem?

Its not impossible, but if its just you and your familiy, its nearly so. Your best bet is to escape before they have a chance to build thier forces. Most likely, you're screwed. The police will outnumber, and can wait you out as long as it takes. Or, they can storm you with superior firepower and technology. Flashbangs, CS, NVG's, MP5's.....You might as well give it up.
 
One guy is not going to defend a soft building against a squad of (properly equipped) professional soldiers, not even against the most inept batch of National Guard guys ever to play soldier on the weekends. At least, not if they decide to go all out.

Then, even if you are able to *defend* yourself against the first squad of soldiers, as soon as they are missed many more will show up. You won't win.


What you can probably do is *slightly* harden your home against looters and disorganized invasions by small groups of hoodlums and wait in ambush. Remember, if they are running around trying to cause trouble, they will be moving and exposed and will have to take risks in order to enter homes and loot, etc.

Just my two cents,
Orville
 
Anarchist's cookbook.
Pipebombs are easy to make. Its also easy to blow yourself up with one.
I have no interest in making any explosives. A) too much at stake if you have an accident with one B) you blow up a couple piggies, and they still catch you, you're going away for a lot longer than if you just try to evade capture.
Improvised smoke might be helpful, though.
 
Booby trap the house, then escape thru the little tunnel you should have dug just for such eventualities :)
 
Good one Alex.

But the way you guys should look at it is that the NG and the N.O. plice are really the criminals here,they are the ones threatening people that haven't done anything to them,they are the ones kicking in door and bullying people around.

The way I see it is if faced with a situation like what is going on in N.O. I would rather die on my feet than die starving or begging them not to kill me.
 
The quick answer, is if everyone's in the house, then you don't. If you absolutely need to stay boxed up in the house, then throw out a few folks on lp/op duty to let you know when the attack is coming, where it's targeted, and let them open fire when the time comes.

Best bet, though is to not be there. And I say this as someone who used to train with a crew that served as opfor for at least one PD for MOUT training and wiped them out with no losses. If you're in the house and can't get out, cops are generally smarter than to come in after you. Think fire. And that "distraction device" a PD used a few years ago that ended up being 6 sticks of dynamite. :what:
 
You can't...it would be suicide

Most homes in North America are not constructed in a way that makes them very defendable. It would take considerable work to harden one so that you could use it as a defensive position. Then you are going to have serious engineering issues to deal with the added weight of all your fortifications.

Once you do that, unless you have access into a storm sewer or other escape route, you're trapped there. You only have so much food, water, ammunition, medical supplies etc. You will probably have to either stockpile those items at each fighting position or have covered routes inside the house from each fighting position to your supplies.

Derek is 100% right, they aren't going to take casualties to come in and get you. Think CS, think cutting off the power and the water, think waiting you out. If all else fails, think of overwheming force.

How big is your family? Big enough to provide 360 degree security 24/7 for an indefinate period of time? Are your kids old enough to stand watch? And be reliable? Do you have a large force that can come in from the outside and break the siege and rescue you?

I am suspending my rule against political comment in S&T to say this:

I'd like to remind everyone here that we still live in the United States of America. Everyone in the affected areas who is dealing with the heavyhanded, unconstitutional approach to disaster relief has the opportunity to change leadership in the next election. They also have the opportunity if they were actually damaged by the response to seek redress through the courts.

I received this from the NRA yesterday:

NRA-ILA COMMENTS ON SITUATION IN NEW ORLEANS

Numerous media sources are reporting on a campaign by New Orleans city authorities to confiscate lawfully-owned firearms from people in the city. Louisiana statute does grant the government, during a state of emergency, broad powers in regulating and controlling firearms.

However, we have seen not just with Hurricane Katrina, but other similar situations, that when police are unable to control the criminal element, people turn to the one freedom that protects all others--the Second Amendment.

While one can certainly understand the dire predicaments of all those affected by Hurricane Katrina, as we have learned throughout history, campaigns to disarm the lawful do nothing to disarm the criminal. And in truth, these restrictions make citizens less safe. Despite the valiant efforts of many law enforcement officers and rescue workers, too many of those left in the wake of Katrina are ultimately responsible for their own security and safety and that of their families and loved ones. This is especially true when communication is virtually non-existent and police can't be quickly summoned to respond to calls for help. At these times, lawful gun ownership is paramount to personal safety.

Of course, the entire situation in New Orleans is constantly in flux. But rest assured NRA is monitoring this situation very closely and will address any activity by the government that unduly infringes upon the rights of lawful gun owners at the appropriate time. As we learn more, we will report to our members accordingly. In the interim, however, we join with all Americans in offering our thoughts, prayers, and assistance to the victims and survivors of this terrible natural disaster.

We live in a continual election cycle now, it never stops. The fallout from Katrina is going to be massive and then it will be time to fight, at the polls, in the newspapers, the public is starting to recognize that they have to take responsibility for themselves. Good things can come out of this. But we're not doing our cause any favors by talking about defending our homes against the authorites. That is not promoting responsible gun ownership.

Jeff
 
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