How Does Anyone really Shoot Best Groups

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I know you can shoot good groups just off a Bipod and a bench or table. My question in order to really shoot a small group what do most of you use? I have been interested in some type of rest setup and am wondering what is best or is the Bipod I use to hunt with as good as any? I want to get the best out of my rifles without tying them down in a Lead Sled or similar just wanted a good rest front and back?
Thanks for help
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I use a short Harris bipod, usually some sandbags for the toe of the gun, extra support from my off hand near the wrist, and I shoot very carefully, using my best trigger control and sighting ability. That's good enough for what I want (significantly sub-MOA loads for my hunting rifles, and proper zero, which is all I really need to know for my purposes).

A serious test of a load or a rifle should be done in a Lead Sled or similar.
 
I use the Caldwell Deadshot bag set filled with corn cob media. Been working great for me so far, though I have been looking at adjustable front rests. Can't justify buying one though; my bags work just fine.

The biggest thing to remember when using bags like this is to learn to, and take the time to, set them up properly. Taking a few minutes to settle your bags and get them lined up makes a BIG difference.
 
I have one of those tripod rests with the little leather bag on top and a sand bag at the rear. I think I got someone to get it for me as a present some years back.

IMO, anything that will help you hold the rifle on target without moving and still allow you to be comfortable holding the rifle so you can relax and concentrate on lining up the proper aim and good trigger pull. Sands bags work. I have often thought about getting a stool or chair with a height adjustment, but never have.

An older gentlemen I used to work with had a hobby of trying for same hole at 200 yards with 22-250. I think he said he just used sand bags. I've heard others say you can cut the legs off old blue jeans and sew up the ends. I haven't tried that though.
 
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I shoot as good as I can shoot off of sandbags.

Use a picnic table, folding ironing board, or any other small portable table & chair.

rc
 
I use a combination of Armed bears method with some rifles and halfded's with others. Some rifles have to much flex in the forend to work well with a bi-pod. Thats when I use a large Caldwell bag under the stock at the point where the barrel meets the action. Make sure your table is really rock solid with no wobble. One range that I shoot at has heavy tables that can take two men to move them but they do show some very slight wobble occasionally. Another range has non-movable benchs mounted on concrete pillars and they don't even vibrate. For the rear I use a heavy leather sandbag with the wings that hold the stock.
 
Thanks gentelmen is there any paticular brand better as far as rests go or not? They can get pretty expensive I have noticed.
roc1
 
shooting bags/rest

My wally-world had a pair of bags on close-out for $10, filled and they work fine. I bought a spare pair, I already had a pair of canvas, these were suede.
 
A Caldwell "The Rock" Deluxe front rest with a Caldwell rear bag is an excellent mid priced combination. For best accuracy, use them with as steady a bench as you can find. While shooting for accuracy, consistency is important. Try to hold the gun exactly the same for each shot and with the same amount of grip.
 
What is a good rear bag? Do any one you use a one piece unit or is the two bag method better?
Thanks
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I prefer prone with a bipod.

Unless the rifle is a real heavy kicker, then I go to the second choice of a bench with a bipod.
 
folding ironing board,


Your just full of ...........great idea's!:cool:

That is something that would work for me. I shoot mostly on BLM land and have to carry everything in and out. I have a disability that limits my walking and carrying any weight really aggravates it. I'm going to go look for a nice heavy duty one. Thanks for the tip!
 
I bought one of Joe Cowan's front rests and then when he came out with an improved version I bought one of those too.

He is a teacher and the students build a couple of runs of rests every year to raise money for tools and materials. They have also given some money to good causes.

Here's the newer one.

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Joe can be reached by searching rimfirecentral or a google search should turn up his e-mail. He teaches at Greater Altoona High or Tech Center iirc.



Okay, here's a post of Joe's on benchrest.com from 10/08 about his program.

www.benchrest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56724

"With the fall ‘08 run of front rests nearing completion and shipment, it has become apparent to me that the April ’09 run is sold out. We have begun taking reservations for Nov of 2009. Wow! To me and my students, this is almost unbelievable, as we are now taking reservations for over a year away.

When we started this project we were taking a “bold” approach by building 12 rests, and we were concerned that we would not be able to sell them all. Now we are building and selling nearly 100 each year and can’t build enough to meet the demand.

We owe this extreme success story to you, the shooting community.

There are two main comments that I receive when an order is placed: (1) you like the quality and value of the rests. (2) You like the idea that they are made by students and the students receive all of the proceeds.

Keep in mind that all of the money goes to the students and it is used to rent uniforms, pay for class parties, field trips, class dues, purchase tools etc. When a student leaves my program he/she has their own machinist chest that is well stocked with tools to take with them and call their own.
I am most proud of my students’ generosity within the school and community. Unfortunately, each year a few students and their families are stricken with personal tragedy. My students think nothing of donating $1K (yes, one thousand dollars) to the cause. Last year we sponsored a drive and collected over 10,000 items and sent them to our troops in Iraq. 4 years ago one of my students passed away on Christmas day. His classmates gave the family $2,000.00 to buy the headstone.

The selflessness that my students demonstrate is something that is often missing in today’s’ youth and cannot be taught from a textbook or a lesson plan. The benchrest project gives these kids a perfect platform to learn how to give to others.

This all got started by the thoughtfulness of two people:
Dan Conzo had the idea, and convinced me to try it out. Dan, I still don’t know what a corn-back rattler is, but I know they scare the heck out of you.
Gary Finch, AKA UNC on the rimfire forum, had the foresight of buying the first one and showing it off around the rimfire community. I hope you are resting in peace Gary, God love ya.

We now have rests in all 50 states including Alaska and Hawaii and 5 foreign countries.
Thanks everyone, Benchresters are “Good People”.
Joe Cowan
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