How free do you want to be poll

How much freedom should we really have?

  • Prohibition

    Votes: 1 0.2%

  • Strict Control

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Moderate Control

    Votes: 17 3.1%

  • Limited Control

    Votes: 289 53.2%

  • No Control

    Votes: 236 43.5%
  • Total voters
    543
  • Poll closed .
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The most radical and bent pedophile shouldn't be allowed to purchase a semi-automatic Uzi the day he/she gets out of prison after paying their dues to society.
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Fixed it for you.
How's that for playing the Devil's Advocate?
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It's pretty ridiculous actually. How could such a person be determined safe to again roam amongst us all, where they have access to firearms? But as it currently is, when they are judged to be safe to society, they are released back into our communities, where they have access to firearms.
 
I voted no control, none of the other options quite fit. There should not be any bans on ANYTHING, how ever, a back ground check by dealers is not bad idea, though I don't like the forms being filled out, records of who bought what, and As said before, the blanketing felons together stuff is not right either. A simple look up online as to whether or not the person in question is legal or not is all there should be. Other than that, if you're a citizen you're good to go. Remember, Bad guys don't follow laws and will alwys get their hands on fire arms no matter what you do.
 
It is surprising(and disgusting) how low the bar has been set for what is considered a felony.

While filling out a state form for a temporary handicap parking permit, I saw a notice at the bottom of the page notifying me that providing false information on this form is a FELONY.

It is almost inconceivable that you can lose your 2A rights for life over lying on a parking form!

So when people talk about "Felons" what kind of criminal are they talking about? Nowadays the word "Felon" has little meaning.

Bob
 
I voted no control. I am the best protection for me and mine. All other protection doesn't show up until after any damage was done.
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While I was in Lowes today somebody asked me why I was carrying a gun. That's what I told them.
 
Laws controlling the possession of firearms are only heeded by those that care to obey those laws.
I WILL carry, period! Why should I allow someone to freely take what I have work so hard to attain. I will protect myself, family, friends, business, and property. If deadly force is required, then so mote it be. I was taught you didn't aim a weapon at ANYTHING that you didn't intend to destroy.
 
It is surprising(and disgusting) how low the bar has been set for what is considered a felony.

While filling out a state form for a temporary handicap parking permit, I saw a notice at the bottom of the page notifying me that providing false information on this form is a FELONY.

It is almost inconceivable that you can lose your 2A rights for life over lying on a parking form!

So when people talk about "Felons" what kind of criminal are they talking about? Nowadays the word "Felon" has little meaning.

Bob
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This was why I used the term "Violent Felon/Felony" as in murder, rape, armed robbery, ect., ect.

I'm not real concerned about folks fibbing on a parking lot form harming me, unless they beat me with a cane, course I'll have to defend myself in like manner as I use a cane any more to get around.
 
The problem is the "reasonable" gradual slide to the point we have today where you start with banning violent felons from buying guns, then it is people with restraining orders against them, or people taking anti-depressants and then you end up with only law enforcement officers that have passed detailed psych evals are allowed to carry guns. It is not as far off as you might think, I know of at least one local sheriff's department that requires a multiday psych evaluation done at the state police headquarters over 100 miles away for all new hires, and know of at least one person (ex-army MP), not hired solely based on the psych evaluation showing .he tended to resort to the use of force too soon. (this information coming from a 3rd party in the department that was closely involved with the hiring process)
 
I'm reminded of an anecdote that been attributed to George Bernard Shaw.

"Man: Madam, would you sleep with me for $1,000,000?
Woman: Of course!
Man: What about $1?
Woman: What kind of woman do you think I am??
Man: We have established what you are, madam. We are now merely haggling over the price."


Once you agree to "reasonable restrictions", you've lost the argument. You've agreed to be restricted. You've agreed that someone else should be able to dictate what rights you have an how you can exercise them. Everything from there is just haggling over what exactly is "reasonable". When your politicians are in power, hopefully it's a broad definition. When it's your opposition, you'd better watch out.

When you hand over power to someone else, don't ever do it assuming they will act in your best interest. Always assume it will be used in the worst way possible, because eventually it will. "Reasonable restriction" sounds great assuming we have politicians deciding what reasonable is who are on our side? But what if they're not? What if your worst enemy is deciding whether or not it's "reasonable" to let you have a right. Nevermind the fact that long ago you decided that it was in his authority to decide if you can have that right in the first place. What if you turn over that power to someone you trust, and they get voted out? And now someone you don't trust inherits that same power over you? Can you take it back so easily?
 
JVaughn said:
This poll is to determine how much freedom THR members feel is conveyed with the 2A. I figured a simple 1 thru 5 scale would be best.

1 - Prohibition No Guns allowed, period. Confiscate them all!

2 - Strict control No semi-auto, no high capacity mags, extensive background checks and waiting periods, registration of all gun owners in database. May issue permits only.

3 - Moderate control Background checks, "assault" weapons disallowed but "reasonable" semi-auto allowed with mag restrictions. Shall issue CCW permits.

4 - Limited control Background checks at time of purchase, no mag restrictions, no registration, no CCW permit required.

5 - No control No background check, no permits, no questions asked. (Note: purchase and possession will still be limited to adults)

Thanks for playing.
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Sir, I don't mean to insult but do you know how to read? It seems perhaps you don't. I would suggest.. nevermind.
 
I drink too much. I don't commit crimes... and I don't carry if I've been drinking just as I don't drive when I've been drinking. I only drink when I'm home to stay put for the night. Also, I don't get plastered... but I'll probably get tipsy. Am I on the verge of losing my 2a rights?
 
I once got into a discussion about regulations and a point was made that sticks with me today. If you allow even the simplest regulation to be employed, you have welcomed anything and everything to be regulated. Give them an inch and in time they'll own a mile.
 
IMO most people know when they are committing a felony. In committing a felony you knowingly give up certain rights, gun ownership/possession being one of them. You take the risk and pay the consequences when you are caught/convicted. I don't care if it's white collar crime, rape, murder, drugs, perjury or any other crime that constitutes a felony. You have proven yourself not to be trusted with the awesome responsibility that comes with a firearm.
 
AS a person that voted no controls, I will say I would be for VERY LIMITED controls (people with violent tendancies, mental illness, etc.) if there was a way to avoid the eventual creep that has allowed us to get to the point we are in today, I have no idea how that could be done though.
 
if there was a way to avoid the eventual creep that has allowed us to get to the point we are in today,
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There is no way. There never has been and there never will be. Those in power will always seek more. Those who control will never feel like they have enough control. Anything you give up you will never get back. It was true thousands of years ago in Rome, it is true today. A right given up is a right never gotten back peacefully. As Reagan said "freedom is never more than one generation from extinction". Those who lust for domination over your life will always be on the edge waiting for you to let up and agree to their "reasonable restrictions". They will placate you. They will promise to protect you. They will divide you and tell you they are on your side, but against others. It will always be "others". Until the day you find yourself as one of those "others". Until they day they have shifted you from the comfortable "upstanding citizen" group you picture yourself to be, and into the "dregs of society" group you gave them power over. And now that power is turned against you. To whom do you turn? Who will defend you? Who will stand on your side and fight to get back your freedoms?

You're the dregs of society. No one will.
 
All of the amendments in the Bill of Rights have some disclaimers that have evolved as our nation has evolved. I have no issues with not being able to shout 'fire' in a crowded theater or with not allowing religious practices that harm children. Likewise, I have no qualms about keeping felons and the deranged from walking into a store and buying a gun.

The real world extends beyond these forums - I live pretty close to 2 prisons, I'd rather not see a cash-and-carry gun store parked at the exit of any of them.
 
I cry a single tear for these dirtbags.
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Yeah. Being charged with any crime determines someone's worth as a person and everyone who has ever been convicted is a meth addict.

Cleaned.
 
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