How I ended up with a rusty, beat up, Bubba'd S&W 1917.

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In the Marine Corps, the saying goes “The difference between a sea story and a fairy tale is how they begin. Fairy tales start out “Once upon a time,” sea stories begin a little less refined and best not repeated here. So, I’ll use the EOD folks line:“So there I was, ...”

So there I was, at a local shop, perusing their selection of fine firearms, when I notice a S&W 1917 tucked into the corner of a lower shelf. I ask for a look and while being handed it, I am told it’s one of the Brazilian guns. It’s a little rough with various dents and dings, plus some pitting. It’s also pointed out that “Bubba” has re-crowned the barrel. At this point, I’m thinking $450 is steep for this gun, but then again, I have no idea what they are going for. That said, it does have an “Indiana Jones” sort of appeal to it and seems quite sound mechanically. It’s not a busy day at the shop, so we shoot the breeze a little, discussing the merits of “Bubba gunsmiths" and such. I opine that while the barrel’s new crown is not that visually appealing (in the white with a fairly wide chamfer and sharp edge) it looks straight and I doubt it would significantly affect the guns accuracy. That leads to further discussion, with me offering to buy a box .45ACP if they’ll let me run a couple cylinders worth through it (they have a nice indoor range). The gunsmith turns up some half moon clips, so it’s off to the range. I post up a piece of scrap paper and run her out to ten yards. The first shot yields a pleasant result: pretty much to my point of aim on the blank paper. I use that hole as my aiming point, raise her back up and launch the remaining cylinder’s worth of 230 gr. hardball down range (knowing that the fifth of those six rounds is a “flyer” on my part). I don’t need to see anymore at the moment. I also don’t need this gun: it’s beat up, it’s pitted, it’s $450. Oh well, so much for all that… I’ll take that bag of half moon clips as well:)
So, where’s the best place to get a fedora and bullwhip?
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Regards,
Greg
 
Hit that beauty with some Flitz; you'll be amazed how she'll clean up.

And don't get me started on the whips. They're almost as expensive as the gun!
 
Nice.

I have to stay away from old revolvers like that myself. I know I don't need them, but they speak to me and I...have....to ....listen....Where....is...check book!
 
Luckily, for me, my local shops don't have that much that is interesting very often. I haven't found a wheelgun that really spoke to me for quite some time. I even passed up a 4" Python with a lot of ..."character"...shall we say, for $600 two days ago. Locked up like a bank vault, but I just couldn't do it.

Nice shootin' by the way, with a cool old gun.
 
Yer supposed to say, "Please change the Price to $850.00 so I won't buy it!!!"


Lol...


Nice find!


Just how i like 'em, too.
 
Yes sir! Those M1917s CAN shoot! Used one as my HD weapon for many years.
 
I want one of those 1917's.

One of my good friends has one that his father left to him, 98% US Army issue, has all the appropriate stamps.

It's gorgeous.
 
I have one of those old Brazilian war horses myself. Mine too is in rough shape but it shoots great. I thought about refinishing, but I think I'll just keep it this way.

Here's a pic:

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Yes, I agree with boomer. Polish it a little to get rid of that rusty oxidation. Then you'll have some fresh steel you can keep protected and it won't get worse. I have a .455 HE I did that with. I found a "before" and after photo.

The before photo is the worst area on mine, which looks about equal to that of yours but more widespread. Don't forget to get those grips off and polish under them; there is likely worse pitting under there from the wood trapping moisture. I used Mother's Mag polish. Flitz works too. With either, rub very gently and don't be freaked when you expose some steel. If it's covered with active oxidation, it's better to get it bare than leave it to rust further. But don't be too aggressive or you'll remove too much bluing, also.

The afterwards photo looks better than it does in person; that was shot w/o flash indoors and the wide-open aperture makes the focus very soft. It's really about an 85% gun tops now that I have the oxidation off. But with a coat of Renaissance Wax on it, it looks nice, and it's all original. Nice that yours has the original commercial grips.

Before:
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After:
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Thank you all for your input (especially the clean up tips):)

batex and Oro,
Thanks for posting photos of your pistols. I really enjoy seeing these old boomers.

BHPshooter,
Thanks for that link. I've browsed a few of the pages already; the bullwhip page is a interesting read. I'm afraid it will be the start of more expenses on my end:D

I put some more rounds through the 1917 yesterday. I find it pleasant to shoot for a big bore revolver. As a side note, a gent near me was shooting at quite a rapid pace with some type of autoloader (seemed to be very proficient with it) while I was ambling along, firing mostly single action and loading/reloading half moon clips. I found the contrast in pace refreshing, as quite often I'm on the faster track myself. It also made me appreciate the lineage of the pistol I was shooting: from the time of canvas covered biplanes, it's still a capable sidearm in the day of space travel.

Regards,
Greg
 
Greg,
My Brazilian loads & unloads just as well without the moonies as with - the empties almost fall out (especially hard ball loads) and even the gummy lubed lead bullets come out with a pinkie finger nail. I cleaned & polished the chambers with JB Bore Paste, & put a set of N frame magna grips on it since the originals were totally ruined. It shoots & feels great. I'd like to find a set of nice original grips, but failing that I'll eventually get a repro set & put the lanyard loop back on. It is a neat piece... :cool:
Congrats!
 
Somebody nickled my 1917 US Army once upon a time once. I'm glad they didn't nickel the hammer, trigger, and ejector. It had fake pearlies on it when I got it...replaced those with Sambar Stag.

I had a 1917/1937 Brazilian contract gun as well and sold it...wish I still had it even thought it was rough looking it shot and functioned fine.

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My first 1917 was a Brazilian contract gun. It had a purple cylinder, and was pretty beat up, too. After getting a couple US Property marked 1917's (including one with an extra cylinder in 45LC) I decided to customize the Brazilian. I love short barreled guns, 12.5" 12 gauge, 18.5" 45-70, 16" 30-30, 2" .357 Mag, etc., so I figured I'd cut it down for a CHL piece. I had it cut down to 3.5" , had the patent dates on top of barrel buffed off, original front sight relocated and adjusted for the shorter barrel, and had the whole thing reblued. It turned out great. Very easily my favorite revolver of all time. It looks good, can be concealed pretty easily, has a big punch, and takes the best speed loaders ever invented (full moon, NOT half). Not bad for a $325 gun and $125 dollars worth of work. Keep it and enjoy it!

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Maj Dad,
Thanks for that info. I'd just read about the chambers being cut to head space on the front of the cartridge in the link BHPshooter provided; still it's good to have that info verified by someone who has actually shot them that way.
In regards to grips, you might find this link worth a look: http://www.cdnninvestments.com/smweulconfrc.html

C&L,
Those stag grips really make that nickel work, good job with that!

vwfool,
I'm envious; what a fine custom revolver you have! It did indeed "turn out great". Do you mind sharing who did the work?
In reagrds to full moon clips, I've got some on the way:D

Keep those photos coming all:)
Regards,
Greg
 
I don't mind sharing one bit. My gunsmith is terrific. His name is Bruce Brummer and his shop is:

B&J Gunsmithing
309 E Adler Ave
Davis, OK 73030
(580) 369-3772

He does absolutely outstanding work for a very fair price. I have only lived in OK for 7 years, but I use Bruce more in any given year than I used all the gunsmiths in Amarillo and Dallas for the 7 years before that put together. Besides having actually repair a couple of guns, I have had him do NFA engraving, shorten and recrown barrels, rebarrel/rechamber rifles, install or modify various sights, refinish guns, thread barrels, cut and thread shotgun barrels for screw in chokes, and more. Every time he has done a top notch job, and he is honest to boot. If what you are doing isn't really a good idea (safety standpoint) he will respectfully tell you, too. There are other gunsmiths close to me, but he is still worth the hour drive, hands down.

Sorry, you might get the idea I like him and his work:D
I just get tired of other people's quality making you want to:cuss:or:banghead:.

My picture taking ability doesn't really do him justice. This gun turned out damn nice, and my 50's vintage Lightweight Commander refinished to be more beautiful than I ever would have imagined.
 
In case anyone is interested in some replacement grips for their 1917, I ordered a pair from CDNN (linked posted above) and received them today. They appear unfinished or lightly oiled (not a bad thing) and the checkering is sharp. They are slightly thicker than the S&W grips on my pistol. The overall fit is good with the exception that they are a little short (or at least this set is). They mount very solid with no movement. Overall, I would say they are good value for the asking price.
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Regards,
Greg
 
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