How important is eye protection?

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Here's one way to look at it. Why do you carry a gun for self protection? How many billions of people in the US do not carry a gun at all and go through their entire life never having a violent crime committed against them. So, should we just leave our guns at home because the odds are that we will never need it?

I mean really...how hard is it to wear a pair of safety glasses when there is an increased risk of losing sight in one or both eyes? A heck of a lot easier than wearing a gun most days.
 
I wear impact-resistant prescription eyeglasses...and was glad I did when I was hit right between the eyes with a jacket fragment sharp enough to stick in my forehead. I was pretty glad the eyeglasses were there.
 
Back in the day, when those retired Ordnance Employees who wrote for the American Riflemen were telling the shooting community that only high primers and worn out receiver bridges caused slamfires, I had two out of battery slamfires with Federal primers. Federal primers were/are the most sensitive primer on the market and, as it happens, the most slamfiring primer on the market. But, back then, officialdumb did not recognize any such thing as primer sensitivity.

In each incident my shooting glasses saved my eyes. I looked at the pitting on the surfaces of my glasses and came to the conclusion I would have had several large chunks of brass right down my pupil.

The second out of battery slamfire knocked the receiver heel into my face shattering my glasses. I am confident I would have lost vision in that eye if I had not been wearing shooting glasses.

Since I had reamed all primer pockets to depth and hand inspected each primer, to verify that they were below the case head, I began to suspect that the theory that “only high primers” and your worn out gun was bogus.

Everyone who has shot in Long Range matches will or has at some time experienced a pierced primer. M70 actions handle gas poorly and a number of times my shooting glasses have had globs of grease on them, from gas going straight down the firing pin shaft onto my eye.

The M98 Mauser and Lee Enfield will protect you from gas release, but they are in the minority of actions that have gas escape shooter protection features. The M1903 and all its derivatives are particularly bad in this regard. Given the inferior 03 action design and the crappy materials put into National Ordnance M1903A3’s, you better wear your shooting glasses:


http://forum.pafoa.org/general-2/535...gun-broke.html
The owner reported he had only 76 rounds of factory ammunition before the lug set back caused a cartridge rupture.

The original post was on the old Culver's, which deleted all of its old messages after the update. Luckily I saved the pics.

This young man was very lucky he did not lose an eyeball. I expect he had more facial damage than what you see in these poor camera phone pictures.

And he did nothing that was his fault. He simply fired enough factory ammunition until the National Ordnance receiver failed.

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This is another account of a National Ordnance which blew up in the gentleman’s face.


http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=8778&highlight=national+ordnance


Later he commented on his injuries

i was the guy who had the National Ordnance 03A3 blow up in my face. I like you am still pushing people away from those ticking time bombs they call rifles. I had one surgery after I last conversed with you. Had to have a tooth removed, piece of brass was blown into my nerve and the sun still burns my eyes from absorbing heat.

http://www.jouster.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2893
 
Eyepro is not just for shooting, anytime you are using a power tool, a hammer or any other impact tool or high pressure fluids or air you should protect your eyes.

Had a friend who was breaking up a little concrete in his back yard with a sledge hammer. He now has one eye left.
 
Only once in 50+ years of shooting did I need eye protection. I didn't always wear eye protection, but that day I did. A muzzle break on the end of a Mosin blew up.
 
About 10 years ago I bought prescription safety glasses. Come in handy for shooting as well as mowing the lawn, etc. I have been hit in the face from some lead splash back from an indoor range on two occasions. It didn't penetrate the skin but it stung. Made me glad I had safety glasses on.
 
I don't use "shooting glasses" or anything like that, but I wear prescription glasses every minute of every day, and I find it foolish to use anything other than polycarbonate lenses since I'm wearing them anyway. They are lighter than regular lenses, far more protective than regular lenses, and only slightly more expensive. Totally worth it imho.
 
Sitting on a stool at a recent steel challenge match, I felt stuff hitting my face and neck. When I got up, there were small pieces of lead on the stool.

Also, some years ago, a teenager was practice casting rod/reel in his backyard with a small round lead sinker on the line. It got hung on tree limb and when yanked free, the sinker whizzed back and claimed an eye.

Using a wire brush on a angle grinder... wires were slung into my sweatshirt and denim pants. Looked like a porcupine.

Safety glasses? Definitely. Mine are Rx progressive lens with integral sides shields. Alternately, I have goggles that fit over street glasses.
 
I notice a lot of comparison between eye pro and ear pro and it was explained to me a ways back like this: the risk of an incident destroying your eyes is lower, but should it happen, the result is catastrophic, i.e low risk high impact. The damage to your ears is high risk, pretty much guaranteed without protection, although the impact is much less catastrophic; high risk low impact.

I spent almost four years in the Army fighting having to wear eye pro as much as I could. I wore glasses then, and Rx eye pro distorted my vision and gave me migraines. I went an entire 16 month Iraq deployment with almost never wearing them. Even made it on the cover of Texas VFW magazine with just glasses(my Sergeant Major flipped his lid when he saw it). In mid 2009 I got laser correction and loved it, best decision of my life(besides marriage, never know when the wife will check up on my posts:D). A few months after while in the field sitting in my truck, a folded up whip antennae managed to work its way out of the nag it was in, flip out and smack me straight in my right eye. Severe cornea scratches that took a few weeks to heal, but changed my perspective on eye pro from then on. Won't go shooting ever without them, and I use em for anything that throws particles or dust into the air now. After that miserable week and the initial panic thinking I might never see right from that eye, it's not something I want to live through again.

In regards to ear pro, almost all of my hearing loss and tinnitus I can blame on combat, but I still wish I had invested in electronic ear pro while deployed. 75 bucks for a pair of Surefire electronic ear plugs would have saved me a lot of trouble. granted my hearing loss isn't near total, just seriously diminished, and over the course of a hundred plus firefights, and thousands of test fire of Army toys.

Sorry for the long post, just wanted to illustrate low risk high impact, high risk low impact concept.
 
Eye protection every time you shoot. I keep several pairs in my range bag. Along with hearing protection, it's required. I have to wear both at work, all day, now. It used to be "as needed" but even then found myself needing it a lot. Don't know about the OP, but shooting steel at defensive handgun range will make you very appreciative of your glasses. Besides, I used up all my luck in this area fighting BB gun wars and slingshot/chinaberry wars as a boy. Have the safety gear and use it.
 
I got slapped in the forehead with an ejected case this morning from my p238. Reminded me to put my safety glasses back on.
 
After reading this thread and from personal experience going to 3 ranges that I'm a member it seems to have been established there is a huge number of fools & idiots in the shooting sports. Have no idea about the present, but back in the 60's eye protection was not required or even suggested in the military.
Myself? My eyewear is safety glass.
 
I got hit in the leg with a ricochet at the indoor range one day.

And I took a ricocheted .45 cal lead slug the to middle of my forehead last year. I was wearing eye protection, and thankful I was, though I'm not certain of the lenses would have held. Certainly better than nothing.

As a side note, it was my fault. I was shooting at a steel plate, off center, however there were some pock marks on the plate and I must of hit one just right to come back at me. I could actually see it coming right at my face, just as I realized what it was it dinged me.

I had a Taurus 94 that became a lead spitter after Taurus "fixed" it. I could hear the bits of lead spaying on my glasses. I only fired a couple of shots and that was it.

As others have noted, I wear eye and ear protection doing lots of tasks these days.
 
I also see a lot of references to steel targets. This is the reason they are banned at every range I belong to, as are bowling pins.

Why would one shoot at a target that causes ricochets?
Oh Ya, its fun!
 
Here's one way to look at it. Why do you carry a gun for self protection? How many billions of people in the US do not carry a gun at all and go through their entire life never having a violent crime committed against them. So, should we just leave our guns at home because the odds are that we will never need it?

I mean really...how hard is it to wear a pair of safety glasses when there is an increased risk of losing sight in one or both eyes? A heck of a lot easier than wearing a gun most days.
Another way of putting that thought is:

(Needing a gun or) Eye damage: Low probability; high consequence.

I have been hit in the face with blown-back particles. Never my eyes, though. Not sure if my lenses have been hit, but I think a couple of the nicks are evidence.

Lost Sheep
(edit: posted before reading up to CSC_Saint's post)
 
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IMO it's just not worth the risk. I wear eye protection when using the weed trimmer, too. I've been hit in the eye more than once with debris.
 
Where can I get prescription safety glasses?

I shopped here http://eyesinmotionusa.com/ and was very pleased.
It's a local shop with a good reputation. They specialize in safety glasses and serve many industrial accounts in the area.

In my experience, don't buy safety glasses where you'd buy street glasses, and vice versa.

Also, I've seen other shooters take old prescription lenses and RTV them (along the top edge) behind non-Rx safety glasses. (Also, done for scuba goggles.)
 
If you wear prescription glasses you may not think you need safety glasses until a nice hot casing ejects and hits your forehead and drops right behind your glasses against your eye or a casing rupture with something as trivial as a .22 sprays some hot fragments back against your face around the glasses OR a ricocheting fragment goes through the lens or past it. It doesn't take a catastrophic failure of an exploding gun to wreck one or both of your eyes.

Yes, you need safety glasses that will protect your eyes against ruptured cases, flying brass, and ricocheting bullet fragments. There are plenty of Over The Glasses Glasses that will do the job and they're far less expensive than eye surgery.

A pair of Uvex Astospex OTGs runs under $20.

I prefer prescription shooting glasses. You can get your prescription put into Uvex safety glasses relatively cheaply ($50-$100 is pretty cheap for protecting your eyes with prescription glasses). http://www.rx-safety.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=47_85&products_id=384http://www.rx-safety.com/?gclid=CIuCtumFiLkCFQya4AodSH8AEg http://www.rx-safety.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=503http://www.rx-safety.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=47_86&products_id=1131

As others have pointed out, think about the cost of having your vision damaged and your life and career permanently ruined by the rare accident against the relatively trivial cost of a pair of safety glasses.
 
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I want to say again: WEAR YOUR SAFETY GLASSES. I was changing the fuel filter on my truck this afternoon, and I got a face full of grit and gasoline in the process. Thankfully I put on my safety glasses before getting under the truck. Even if it costs $200 for a pair of top of the line Rx safety glasses it is worth it.
 
I haven't read anything past the OP, but is this thread REALLY going on for three pages? You have TWO eyes, and like your ears, once gone - do not come back and cannot be repaired when you have certain elements or chemicals enter them.

I use brake cleaner for my barrels, yet ANY in the eyes and you are blind so wearing eye protection is a MUST
 
I posted a photo of a .22LR shell that exploded in a pistol a couple of weeks ago. I had on clear eye protectors, probably $2 a pair, and hot powder hit the lenses as well as my cheeks.

Did they protect my eyes? We will never know if any of that hot powder would have burned my eyes but I know it just bounced off the glasses.
 
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