How many criminals know to use Defense/Hollow Point ammo?

[No_Brakes23]

Thanks countertop, a pic is really worth a thousand words.

 

[thorn726]

1)criminals who use guns for crimes (robbery etc)
2)criminals who use guns against each other (gang on gang violence)
ok make that 3- the big dealers who just have stuff around for defense


isn't that really the same group?

not at aLL- gagnsteres with guns are generally drug dealers, and are shooting at each other over turf, defense, etc.

they are not the same as the guy who gets a gun to do muggings with, and i would really put thieves in a different category also- thieves steal whern you are not there, robbers steal right from you , by force if needed,

dealers/ gangbangers are running a different type of scam

 

[fistful]

1)criminals who use guns for crimes (robbery etc)
2)criminals who use guns against each other (gang on gang violence)
ok make that 3- the big dealers who just have stuff around for defense

I get what you're trying to say, but isn't an armed gang-member or "big dealer" usually a criminal who uses guns for crimes? And don't you think a lot of gang members are committing a lot of the crimes that would be in class 1?

 

[thorn726]

don't you think a lot of gang members are committing a lot of the crimes that would be in class 1?

not really. like for example- the gangs in SF- these guys are shooting at each other with AKs, over drug turf. i really doubt they are holding many people up with AKs. **there would be the exception of robbing other dealers, but then both are prepared for arms, might be concerned enough to have hollows etc if applicable
gangs are more about drug selling than anything else, it's not like the mob with robberies and stuff- maily because they are in such poor hoods, the only thing worth doing is drugs- no one is buying anything else.

i really dont think too many armed robbers last more than a few crimes either.
it is a lot harder to get away with, a lot harder to tell yourself it is OK.
(for some reason sellnig crack is not bad, they asked for it right?) duh.
but that is the logic i see on the street.

where the gang types have more time to gather ammo etc.
and more money-
armed robbers are more often than not serious addicts who are gonna spend most of that money on drugs right away- which is also the reason majority of junkies use things like clubs and knives- if they had a gun they already traded it for drugs.

 

[jptsr1]

I wouldn’t think there would be any difference percentage-wise of criminals and the general public using a particular round. I don’t pretend to be any sort of authority when it comes to the criminal mind but I don’t think being a criminal and being ignorant are necessarily positively correlated. I guess if we are talking about some crack-head robbing old ladies after dark with a zip gun and one bullet I could see your point. I would also submit that criminals don’t have any restrictions on what they carry so they might have stuff superior (in terms of ballistics) to what I might be able to buy off the shelf (being the law abiding citizen I am).

J.

 

[Biker]

Most of the scooter tramps I've ridden with (clubbed up and otherwise) are fairly gun-savy. Many are Vets. They carry whether legal or not. I did before Idaho passed it's "Shall Issue" laws-still do if I'm in a state that won't allow it. Then again, I avoid these places if feasable, all things considered.. I guess that makes us criminals.
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