Zen21Tao
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sterling180
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Well it seems Aussieseek that your posts aren't appreciated by some members of this forum.It seems that they regard you as nothing but a somewhat troublesome individual,who is as bad as your fellow anti-gunners.Basically an annoying troll.
As for the comments made by some people on your forum about there being no reason to have a gun.My initial statement is this:"The Remington 700,Winchester 70s,Remington 870s,etc,etc,etc,are the modern replacements for the muzzle-loading muskets and bows and arrows-for the sporting purposes of hunting game and bringing meat and poultry home,to put on the table or to sell it to a butcher.
However it seems that the your antis have a problem with recreational hunters and want to ban them from shooting wild game,because it was a cruel thing to do.I think not.
Most antis seemed to agree that the type of rifle that Martin Bryant used in Port Arthur,was inappropriate for sporting use and that pump and semi-auto shotguns were inappropriate for ordinary shooters to use,because they were dangerous,et,etc.My argument is that,the British Lee Enfield .3O3 and Mauser G98 and K98 7.92mm Service rifles,were used in WW1 and WW2-then they were adopted by hunters,farmers,pest-controllers,civillian-shooters,etc-for a whole array of sensible uses.
Wasn't those two bolt-actions regarded as the "Assault Weapons",of their day-despite the competition from semi-automatic rifles-in the mid 30s to the late 1940s?
In the UK the AR-15 straight-pull rifles are common amongst pest-controllers,despite their somewhat military appearance,that is not compatable with the traditional sporting-long-gun appearance.There are established firms that cater for custom military and sporting style rifles,whom provide the customer with quality after-market products and fitting-services-to make the rifles and shotguns,more effective and efficient-in the hunting environment.
The ordinary sporting- pump and semi-auto shotguns and rifles were designed for hunting animals,skeet-shooting and not designed for hunting humans with-although there are some deranged individuals out there who would think like this.Ivan Milat and Bradley Murdoch,are prime examples of some.
The security/riot/combat model pump and semi-auto shotguns were designed to kill humans,but so were the two rifles that I had stated above.The security models could be used for hunting as well.
I could debate this for hours on end,but writing and posting to your antis,is like writing and posting to a brickwall-minusing the verbal abuse and death threats, from your wonderful posters-who seem to have it in for the shooting community.
Perhaps they should get a life and get out more-especially into the outback and other vastly remote areas of your country.
As for the comments made by some people on your forum about there being no reason to have a gun.My initial statement is this:"The Remington 700,Winchester 70s,Remington 870s,etc,etc,etc,are the modern replacements for the muzzle-loading muskets and bows and arrows-for the sporting purposes of hunting game and bringing meat and poultry home,to put on the table or to sell it to a butcher.
However it seems that the your antis have a problem with recreational hunters and want to ban them from shooting wild game,because it was a cruel thing to do.I think not.
Most antis seemed to agree that the type of rifle that Martin Bryant used in Port Arthur,was inappropriate for sporting use and that pump and semi-auto shotguns were inappropriate for ordinary shooters to use,because they were dangerous,et,etc.My argument is that,the British Lee Enfield .3O3 and Mauser G98 and K98 7.92mm Service rifles,were used in WW1 and WW2-then they were adopted by hunters,farmers,pest-controllers,civillian-shooters,etc-for a whole array of sensible uses.
Wasn't those two bolt-actions regarded as the "Assault Weapons",of their day-despite the competition from semi-automatic rifles-in the mid 30s to the late 1940s?
In the UK the AR-15 straight-pull rifles are common amongst pest-controllers,despite their somewhat military appearance,that is not compatable with the traditional sporting-long-gun appearance.There are established firms that cater for custom military and sporting style rifles,whom provide the customer with quality after-market products and fitting-services-to make the rifles and shotguns,more effective and efficient-in the hunting environment.
The ordinary sporting- pump and semi-auto shotguns and rifles were designed for hunting animals,skeet-shooting and not designed for hunting humans with-although there are some deranged individuals out there who would think like this.Ivan Milat and Bradley Murdoch,are prime examples of some.
The security/riot/combat model pump and semi-auto shotguns were designed to kill humans,but so were the two rifles that I had stated above.The security models could be used for hunting as well.
I could debate this for hours on end,but writing and posting to your antis,is like writing and posting to a brickwall-minusing the verbal abuse and death threats, from your wonderful posters-who seem to have it in for the shooting community.
Perhaps they should get a life and get out more-especially into the outback and other vastly remote areas of your country.
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sterling180 Said
"Well it seems Aussieseek that your posts aren't appreciated by some members of this forum.It seems that they regard you as nothing but a somewhat troublesome individual,who is as bad as your fellow anti-gunners.Basically an annoying troll."
Aint that right.
Anyone who has been following the AussieSeek fiasco would not doubt be interested but not in the least surprised to know that the Open board on Matilda is no more, (that's gotta be a record, three days) and that AussieSeek himself, who claimed he was no longer moerating on Matilda has deleyed two of my posts in the last twelve hours, neither of which contained any abuse.
Seems AusieSooks anti-gun friends didn't like what I had to say. They're back there now, waffling on about "lies" told by pro-gun people. Ho-hum.
"Well it seems Aussieseek that your posts aren't appreciated by some members of this forum.It seems that they regard you as nothing but a somewhat troublesome individual,who is as bad as your fellow anti-gunners.Basically an annoying troll."
Aint that right.
Anyone who has been following the AussieSeek fiasco would not doubt be interested but not in the least surprised to know that the Open board on Matilda is no more, (that's gotta be a record, three days) and that AussieSeek himself, who claimed he was no longer moerating on Matilda has deleyed two of my posts in the last twelve hours, neither of which contained any abuse.
Seems AusieSooks anti-gun friends didn't like what I had to say. They're back there now, waffling on about "lies" told by pro-gun people. Ho-hum.
sterling180
Member
Here's one suggestion that Aussieseek should try John
Well Aussieseek,you seem to like surfing as one of your hobbies,so perhaps you could broaden your hobby-horizons (as well as your mind.)and actually try target-shooting yourself and by doing this you could -shed some light on the sport to your somewhat moronic proletarian posters-who are most certainly anti-gun.
This way you can definately have a valid opinion on the sport and who knows,you might enjoy it enough to want to change you views on gun-ownership.You might even decide to own your own rifle,shotgun and pistol-and be proud of it.
Do you honestly think that John,Cortez and myself bought guns for the purpose of misusing them? If you do then you definately need a trip down to your local range,for some knowledge.
By the way,did you ever serve in the Australian Armed forces Aussieseek,and did you ever fire a No4 Lee Enfield and a L1A1 SLR?
Could you also tell us why you are anti-gun?,because some of us posting on this forum,don't particulary understand why quite a few people hate guns in Australia,and that we don't see that individual ownership is a bad thing at all-only you antis do.
Well Aussieseek,you seem to like surfing as one of your hobbies,so perhaps you could broaden your hobby-horizons (as well as your mind.)and actually try target-shooting yourself and by doing this you could -shed some light on the sport to your somewhat moronic proletarian posters-who are most certainly anti-gun.
This way you can definately have a valid opinion on the sport and who knows,you might enjoy it enough to want to change you views on gun-ownership.You might even decide to own your own rifle,shotgun and pistol-and be proud of it.
Do you honestly think that John,Cortez and myself bought guns for the purpose of misusing them? If you do then you definately need a trip down to your local range,for some knowledge.
By the way,did you ever serve in the Australian Armed forces Aussieseek,and did you ever fire a No4 Lee Enfield and a L1A1 SLR?
Could you also tell us why you are anti-gun?,because some of us posting on this forum,don't particulary understand why quite a few people hate guns in Australia,and that we don't see that individual ownership is a bad thing at all-only you antis do.
Aguila Blanca
Member
Will someone PLEASE edit the title of this thread?
Every time I read it, all I can think of is dress codes for nude beaches near Sydney.
It's B-E-A-R. "Bare" means "not covered, naked."
Every time I read it, all I can think of is dress codes for nude beaches near Sydney.
It's B-E-A-R. "Bare" means "not covered, naked."
Aguila Blanca
Member
Philosophical question:
If the aforementioned Mathilda member such as Tom, Andrew and Cardigan are so erudite and so objective in their anti-gun approach, rather than staying in their own little sandbox where they control who gets sand, and how much why don't they come here and enter into honestly open debate with some acknowledged RKBA folks who won't abuse them if they debate fairly, but WILL take them to the cleaners if they cheat, lie, or otherwise evade the issues?
We've had some Aussie teenie-boppers here before, as well as on some other firearms forums I sometimes visit, and their lack of ability to actually engage in honest debate (not to mention their lack of ability to even write in their own native language) is shocking. They are definitely "true believers." They pick up the most outrageous rubbish, disseminate it as though it's the Golden Gospel, and when anyone has the temerity to either ask for documentation or suggest that it simply isn't true ... they instantly throw hissy fits.
What's the old saying? Ah, yes -- "Never try to wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty but the pig enjoys it."
If the aforementioned Mathilda member such as Tom, Andrew and Cardigan are so erudite and so objective in their anti-gun approach, rather than staying in their own little sandbox where they control who gets sand, and how much why don't they come here and enter into honestly open debate with some acknowledged RKBA folks who won't abuse them if they debate fairly, but WILL take them to the cleaners if they cheat, lie, or otherwise evade the issues?
We've had some Aussie teenie-boppers here before, as well as on some other firearms forums I sometimes visit, and their lack of ability to actually engage in honest debate (not to mention their lack of ability to even write in their own native language) is shocking. They are definitely "true believers." They pick up the most outrageous rubbish, disseminate it as though it's the Golden Gospel, and when anyone has the temerity to either ask for documentation or suggest that it simply isn't true ... they instantly throw hissy fits.
What's the old saying? Ah, yes -- "Never try to wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty but the pig enjoys it."
Zen21Tao
Member
On the Assieseek/Matilda board they have their mod powers and/or are "friends" with whoever has the mod rights so that they can conviently delete any good logical well-made pro-gun arguments that succeed in proving them wrong. Here they don't have that luxery. Here they would actually have to rely on the strength of their arguments and not their ability to edit/delete posts.
Aussieseek
member
The divide is so great
Interesting Post Zen...not the usual hate mail
about the Matilda / AussieSeek Gunboards at
http://aaamatilda.proboards67.com/
There only about 5
anti gunners being Tom,Cardigan,straightshooter,Andrew, and nogun
The most active pro gunners on board are lead by
Chrisper,Lennie,myglock,fusil,angry,rkbausa,flintknapper,
swampsniper, tizreporter, workingman.clem, and samx.
The divide is so great that neither side can talk to each other without abuse.The debate is fine. Again "The divide is so great
Ive resisted pressure to remove the anti gun posters by putting up this notice "
The National Australian Gun Debate -
Click on the words above The Australian National Gun Debate or the Link below called View the 30 most recent posts of this forum to see the Latest posts
Its Your point of view on firearms in Australia and the USA
Members of the public and the industry both pro and anti gun
are welcome here in a rational
discussion.
What does either side want
and what WILL work ?
Will anything?
Note: Discuss the Topic not the poster. There are 4 Moderators
3 Pro gun and one Anti Gun.
The content and Discussion contributed is the content and Responsibility of the Poster.
Any pressure on us to edit or remove other
Peoples Private Posts either pro gun or anti gun will result in Banning.
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire"
We cant please all but its ticks over.
Weve been working hard to remove the trolls and its a lot better now.
Yes, some of the posters here would indeed be welcome
to debate them.
Keith
Interesting Post Zen...not the usual hate mail
about the Matilda / AussieSeek Gunboards at
http://aaamatilda.proboards67.com/
There only about 5
anti gunners being Tom,Cardigan,straightshooter,Andrew, and nogun
The most active pro gunners on board are lead by
Chrisper,Lennie,myglock,fusil,angry,rkbausa,flintknapper,
swampsniper, tizreporter, workingman.clem, and samx.
The divide is so great that neither side can talk to each other without abuse.The debate is fine. Again "The divide is so great
Ive resisted pressure to remove the anti gun posters by putting up this notice "
The National Australian Gun Debate -
Click on the words above The Australian National Gun Debate or the Link below called View the 30 most recent posts of this forum to see the Latest posts
Its Your point of view on firearms in Australia and the USA
Members of the public and the industry both pro and anti gun
are welcome here in a rational
discussion.
What does either side want
and what WILL work ?
Will anything?
Note: Discuss the Topic not the poster. There are 4 Moderators
3 Pro gun and one Anti Gun.
The content and Discussion contributed is the content and Responsibility of the Poster.
Any pressure on us to edit or remove other
Peoples Private Posts either pro gun or anti gun will result in Banning.
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire"
We cant please all but its ticks over.
Weve been working hard to remove the trolls and its a lot better now.
Yes, some of the posters here would indeed be welcome
to debate them.
Keith
Zen21Tao
Member
Aussieseek you are a joke. You can claim all you want that your site is being run fairly but past facts say that this, at best, is only temporary until the THR complaints die down. Then you and your antis will no doubt start swinging you ban and edit axes again.
Prior to this thread, when you tried pushing you site like you are doing now in this thread, you had complaints about certain anti-gunners being given free reign and pro-gun posts being deleted and the posters being banned. You assured everyone then that that wasn’t the case and both sides had an equal say. However, by the time this thread was started these same antis had been made moderators. Go figure, fair discourse means giving those that were complained against for having “free reign” mod rights against those that originally lodged the complaints.
I also continue to hold my belief that you are nothing but a troll and a spammer. Your only posts to date have been to drum up support for your site and to defend how it is allowed to operate. You offer absolutely nothing to THR.
I for one am done feeding this troll.
Prior to this thread, when you tried pushing you site like you are doing now in this thread, you had complaints about certain anti-gunners being given free reign and pro-gun posts being deleted and the posters being banned. You assured everyone then that that wasn’t the case and both sides had an equal say. However, by the time this thread was started these same antis had been made moderators. Go figure, fair discourse means giving those that were complained against for having “free reign” mod rights against those that originally lodged the complaints.
I also continue to hold my belief that you are nothing but a troll and a spammer. Your only posts to date have been to drum up support for your site and to defend how it is allowed to operate. You offer absolutely nothing to THR.
I for one am done feeding this troll.
Lebben-B
Member
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I would like to share this anecdote. On my last deployment to Iraq, I was waiting in line to get a hair cut and struck up a conversation with an Austrailian infantry major by the name of Niles. The Austrailians have a small contingent in-country, though most wish they had a greater role and greater numbers. Very personable, as most Aussies are. The convo turned to guns (I had just received a stash of gun porn from my wife and had a gun rag with me to pass the time while I waited.) and he said he was very excited about his next posting, which was to the US Army CGSC at Ft Leavenworth, Kansas. He was happy about being able to interact with his professional peers from an allied nation, but what had had his toes tapping was that he'd be able to purchase firearms. I told him that I was happy for him, but asked what would happen to them when he returned to Oz? He replied with a big grin, "My wife is going to give birth to an American citizen." And then said his plan was to leave his wife and child in the US, finish out his commitment to the Forces and then officialy immigrate.
Mike
Mike
robertau1788
Member
Thanks for the advice but no thanks
Thanks for the advice John and Zen but on having a look at the threads on Aussieseek its yummy..theres about ten times as much good stuff and not many from the guys I'm
not allowed to play with. I got the web address given to me from the moderator where all the deleted crap is stored including yours John and that guy from Florida
and Tom and cardigan and whoa,
#344##!!! I dont need you to make up my mind and You look a little suspicious trying to scare away people like me.
Are you sure you're not Tom?
No wonder you were dumped. The place is no difference from Google or Yahoo. Nope...Thanks for the warning but no way will I ignore this shebang and the
misinformation beind dished out by the antis at Aussieseek. Have you got a website of your own?
Thanks for the advice John and Zen but on having a look at the threads on Aussieseek its yummy..theres about ten times as much good stuff and not many from the guys I'm
not allowed to play with. I got the web address given to me from the moderator where all the deleted crap is stored including yours John and that guy from Florida
and Tom and cardigan and whoa,
#344##!!! I dont need you to make up my mind and You look a little suspicious trying to scare away people like me.Are you sure you're not Tom?
No wonder you were dumped. The place is no difference from Google or Yahoo. Nope...Thanks for the warning but no way will I ignore this shebang and the
misinformation beind dished out by the antis at Aussieseek. Have you got a website of your own?
sterling180
Member
Please respond Aussieseek to my last initial post,I and some interested others-who regulary post on this forum-would love to know why,you are so anti-gun and you seem to display a level of intolerance towards gun owners.
Basically you give many THR posters the impression,that you condone the extreme antis,who post on your website, and seem to block out any relevant,decent,unbiased comments that were made by genuine gun-owners and not the percieved religious,psychotic,demented,immature,braindead cranks-that unfortunately many of your posters have said about members of the global shooting community-as well as members of THR forum.
I would like ONLY your views to be ONLY posted, in one of your replies-to this forum-NOT including anybody elses-regarding your own opinions.If you post regulary on this website-actually get some practical experiance on firearms,by visiting your range and actually talk to members of that club,as well as watching and maybe testing out their guns.Now that is real research,that you have actually researched,by witnessing what you are seeing.
If you go to the USA on hoilday call in on a local range and try shooting the very guns that were banned in your country and tell us about your experiances.You might find them to quite pleasant to shoot.
As for those teeny-boppers-who were supposidly causing trouble on your forum-,those types were sorted out by the military in both my country and in your country,-in the days of National Service or the Draft.
The Australian military forces and the British military forces,actively encourage shooting-but the anti-civillians want to ban it.It is clearly obvious that any anti,worth their dime is as biased towards shooting and the people who are involved in it ,-as the Neo-Nazis are towards coloured-immagrants,from abroad-especially those from Muslim countries,at present.
The mentality seems to sound like this:"Get out of our country,you are nothing but trouble,etc,etc".Most womens rights groups label guns,"the male tool of violence" and I have met some of those narrow-minded tarts/slags,who just won't accept that females also participate in shooting as well.
You were born in 1944,so you might of done National Service in the Australian Armed forces.
Basically you give many THR posters the impression,that you condone the extreme antis,who post on your website, and seem to block out any relevant,decent,unbiased comments that were made by genuine gun-owners and not the percieved religious,psychotic,demented,immature,braindead cranks-that unfortunately many of your posters have said about members of the global shooting community-as well as members of THR forum.
I would like ONLY your views to be ONLY posted, in one of your replies-to this forum-NOT including anybody elses-regarding your own opinions.If you post regulary on this website-actually get some practical experiance on firearms,by visiting your range and actually talk to members of that club,as well as watching and maybe testing out their guns.Now that is real research,that you have actually researched,by witnessing what you are seeing.
If you go to the USA on hoilday call in on a local range and try shooting the very guns that were banned in your country and tell us about your experiances.You might find them to quite pleasant to shoot.
As for those teeny-boppers-who were supposidly causing trouble on your forum-,those types were sorted out by the military in both my country and in your country,-in the days of National Service or the Draft.
The Australian military forces and the British military forces,actively encourage shooting-but the anti-civillians want to ban it.It is clearly obvious that any anti,worth their dime is as biased towards shooting and the people who are involved in it ,-as the Neo-Nazis are towards coloured-immagrants,from abroad-especially those from Muslim countries,at present.
The mentality seems to sound like this:"Get out of our country,you are nothing but trouble,etc,etc".Most womens rights groups label guns,"the male tool of violence" and I have met some of those narrow-minded tarts/slags,who just won't accept that females also participate in shooting as well.
You were born in 1944,so you might of done National Service in the Australian Armed forces.
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Actually Robertau1788 you should fit right in at AussieSeek and Matilda, I note you're a National Party member.
Yes, considering the support the National Party gave to the buy-back, you should feel right at home.
Your assertions about knowing why I was dumped are interesting, considering I post stuff on seven forums over quite a few years including AussieSook and Matilda, on no other forum have I ever had a single post deleted.
Tim Fisher once said that the buy-back was all about "draining" the suburbs of Melbourne and Sydney of firearms, tell us Robertau1788, are you National Party friends still dedicated to "draining" areas of this country of privately owned firearms?
Yes, considering the support the National Party gave to the buy-back, you should feel right at home.
Your assertions about knowing why I was dumped are interesting, considering I post stuff on seven forums over quite a few years including AussieSook and Matilda, on no other forum have I ever had a single post deleted.
Tim Fisher once said that the buy-back was all about "draining" the suburbs of Melbourne and Sydney of firearms, tell us Robertau1788, are you National Party friends still dedicated to "draining" areas of this country of privately owned firearms?
Aussieseek
member
You can see why I need to be armed.
Hi Stirling of course. We (Aussieseek) being general media
means people can write to us just like the local newspaper and we will print ALL opinions. Everyday there are dozens of pro and anti gunposts appearing and there have never been any complaints about them on either of the two boards ( one being general and one set aside for firearms discussion).But 3 of the pro gun posters became so irate with several of the opinions of Tom and Cardigan (anti gun posters) they wanted them removed because of the high level of abuse.... and when I didnt ( I thought it was better to keep people talking and not to endorse EITHER side ) their abuse levels got much worse so I removed them) The most abusive of the Antigun and pro gun ones. There were even death threats from either side,thats how bad it got. One of the trolls attacked and bashed a lady journalist who works for us at the Blind reading service simply because he doesnt like journalists. She wasnt anti gun at all,but by the time he had finished she really WAS.
I want the site to make friends for the pro gun movement.
Not let him manufacture enemies.
I bet he wouldnt do that on any of the other forums he has slinked into,
But all This didnt disadvantage the debate as other abuse free posters were still talking anyway.
But Those posters removed are wounded and as you can see determined to get even. You can see why I need to be armed.
Hi Stirling of course. We (Aussieseek) being general media
means people can write to us just like the local newspaper and we will print ALL opinions. Everyday there are dozens of pro and anti gunposts appearing and there have never been any complaints about them on either of the two boards ( one being general and one set aside for firearms discussion).But 3 of the pro gun posters became so irate with several of the opinions of Tom and Cardigan (anti gun posters) they wanted them removed because of the high level of abuse.... and when I didnt ( I thought it was better to keep people talking and not to endorse EITHER side ) their abuse levels got much worse so I removed them) The most abusive of the Antigun and pro gun ones. There were even death threats from either side,thats how bad it got. One of the trolls attacked and bashed a lady journalist who works for us at the Blind reading service simply because he doesnt like journalists. She wasnt anti gun at all,but by the time he had finished she really WAS.
I want the site to make friends for the pro gun movement.
Not let him manufacture enemies.
I bet he wouldnt do that on any of the other forums he has slinked into,
But all This didnt disadvantage the debate as other abuse free posters were still talking anyway.
But Those posters removed are wounded and as you can see determined to get even. You can see why I need to be armed.
Old Fud
Member
SPOILSPORT
Who went and corrected the spelling in the thread title?
You are a party-pooper!!!
It was the only reason I looked for and monitored this thread (more than once). Now I got NOTHIN' to show for all that energy spent.
Some people shud leaf well nuff alone.
Who went and corrected the spelling in the thread title?
You are a party-pooper!!!
It was the only reason I looked for and monitored this thread (more than once). Now I got NOTHIN' to show for all that energy spent.
Some people shud leaf well nuff alone.
Fire4Effect
Member
better learn to throw that boomerang, or, are those banned as well?nramember2
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john,the antis dont enter this forum. you can cut and paste pro gun material. and get the word out without hindrance. the moderator is pro gun.
http://aaamatilda.proboards67.com/index.cgi?board=lives
ignore the anti's and get the word out.
http://aaamatilda.proboards67.com/index.cgi?board=lives
ignore the anti's and get the word out.
fallingblock
Member
The weirdness of many Australians and guns.....
Folks, Aussieseek may or may not be a troll.
He seems to be conflicted at best.
I've resided in Australia for ten years now and am amazed at the level of hoplophobia demonstrated by so-called "ordinary" Australians.
My own theory is that this is attributable to a combination of extreme ignorance of firearms and the fact that the vast majority of Aussies now
live in urban environments where their sense of reality is distorted.
However, considering that our own U.S. state of Georgia evolved from a British colonial penal colony - and tens of thousands of early immigrants into the U.S. were considered as 'undesireables' by the Crown - I don't think assertions of this nature are convincing:
Rebecca Peters is a U.S. Citizen.
The government of Australia is certainly bent on doing so, and perhaps a majority of Australians do not care one way or another.
Folks, Aussieseek may or may not be a troll.
He seems to be conflicted at best.
I've resided in Australia for ten years now and am amazed at the level of hoplophobia demonstrated by so-called "ordinary" Australians.
My own theory is that this is attributable to a combination of extreme ignorance of firearms and the fact that the vast majority of Aussies now
live in urban environments where their sense of reality is distorted.
However, considering that our own U.S. state of Georgia evolved from a British colonial penal colony - and tens of thousands of early immigrants into the U.S. were considered as 'undesireables' by the Crown - I don't think assertions of this nature are convincing:
Rebecca Peters is a U.S. Citizen.
The government of Australia is certainly bent on doing so, and perhaps a majority of Australians do not care one way or another.
Keith’s assertions would have to be the biggest load of garbage I’ve heard in a long time.
Hi Stirling of course. We (Aussieseek) being general media
means people can write to us just like the local newspaper and we will print ALL opinions. Everyday there are dozens of pro and anti gunposts appearing and there have never been any complaints about them on either of the two boards ( one being general and one set aside for firearms discussion).
FACT:- There have been a number of complaints regarding posts on both AussieSeek and Matilda, including a complaint I myself to the Federal Government authority which monitors internet activities in this country when one anti-gun poster advocated that all firearms owners and their families should be dragged from their homes and shot.
But 3 of the pro gun posters became so irate with several of the opinions of Tom and Cardigan (anti gun posters) they wanted them removed because of the high level of abuse.... and when I didnt
FACT:- None of the so-called Trolls called for the removal of anti-gun posters on either AussieSeek or Matilda, AussieSeek handed over moderation of Matilda to the leader of the anti-gunners, who promptly set up an anti-gun “castle” on Matilda and would not allow in pro-gun comment. AussieSeek then attempted to set up a pro-gun castle on Matilda where comment from anti-gunners was banned. Again the pro-gunners complained, pointing out whilst we did not approve of what the anti’s said, they too were entitled to freedom of speech. The Troll’s have only challenged abuse or threats from the anti’s, the main complaint is the unfair moderation of the site.
( I thought it was better to keep people talking and not to endorse EITHER side ) their abuse levels got much worse so I removed them) The most abusive of the Antigun and pro gun ones. There were even death threats from either side, thats how bad it got. One of the trolls attacked and bashed a lady journalist who works for us at the Blind reading service simply because he doesnt like journalists. She wasnt anti gun at all,but by the time he had finished she really WAS.
FACT:- A researcher for a radio station with a reputation for being anti-gun, came onto AussieSeek, quoted one of the anti-gunners extensively and then claimed she wanted to communicate with gun owners for material she was collecting for a upcoming story. I said I wasn’t interested and pointed out that I was sick and tired of media “clowns” and their repeated attacks on lawful firearms ownership.
This according to AussieSeek is “attacked and bashed”
I want the site to make friends for the pro gun movement.
Not let him manufacture enemies.
I bet he wouldnt do that on any of the other forums he has slinked into,
But all This didnt disadvantage the debate as other abuse free posters were still talking anyway.
But Those posters removed are wounded and as you can see determined to get even. You can see why I need to be armed.
FACT:- I’m determined that as many pro-shooters as possible know that AussieSeek is an anti site which unfairly edits any pro-gun posting to benefit the anti-gunners who post there.
Here's an example of the sort of crap tha anti's shovel out on Matilda, it goes without saying that mud has not threatened Cardigan in any way, this is the sort of debate/abuse from anti-gunners that AussieSeek considers acceptable
"Mud Look I'm really really sorry please put the gun away please don't hurt me, yes you are right guns are for self defence and they're good look man I didn't mean it, just don't f[post edited by me] kill me, please?
Look I'm sorry!"
Hi Stirling of course. We (Aussieseek) being general media
means people can write to us just like the local newspaper and we will print ALL opinions. Everyday there are dozens of pro and anti gunposts appearing and there have never been any complaints about them on either of the two boards ( one being general and one set aside for firearms discussion).
FACT:- There have been a number of complaints regarding posts on both AussieSeek and Matilda, including a complaint I myself to the Federal Government authority which monitors internet activities in this country when one anti-gun poster advocated that all firearms owners and their families should be dragged from their homes and shot.
But 3 of the pro gun posters became so irate with several of the opinions of Tom and Cardigan (anti gun posters) they wanted them removed because of the high level of abuse.... and when I didnt
FACT:- None of the so-called Trolls called for the removal of anti-gun posters on either AussieSeek or Matilda, AussieSeek handed over moderation of Matilda to the leader of the anti-gunners, who promptly set up an anti-gun “castle” on Matilda and would not allow in pro-gun comment. AussieSeek then attempted to set up a pro-gun castle on Matilda where comment from anti-gunners was banned. Again the pro-gunners complained, pointing out whilst we did not approve of what the anti’s said, they too were entitled to freedom of speech. The Troll’s have only challenged abuse or threats from the anti’s, the main complaint is the unfair moderation of the site.
( I thought it was better to keep people talking and not to endorse EITHER side ) their abuse levels got much worse so I removed them) The most abusive of the Antigun and pro gun ones. There were even death threats from either side, thats how bad it got. One of the trolls attacked and bashed a lady journalist who works for us at the Blind reading service simply because he doesnt like journalists. She wasnt anti gun at all,but by the time he had finished she really WAS.
FACT:- A researcher for a radio station with a reputation for being anti-gun, came onto AussieSeek, quoted one of the anti-gunners extensively and then claimed she wanted to communicate with gun owners for material she was collecting for a upcoming story. I said I wasn’t interested and pointed out that I was sick and tired of media “clowns” and their repeated attacks on lawful firearms ownership.
This according to AussieSeek is “attacked and bashed”
I want the site to make friends for the pro gun movement.
Not let him manufacture enemies.
I bet he wouldnt do that on any of the other forums he has slinked into,
But all This didnt disadvantage the debate as other abuse free posters were still talking anyway.
But Those posters removed are wounded and as you can see determined to get even. You can see why I need to be armed.
FACT:- I’m determined that as many pro-shooters as possible know that AussieSeek is an anti site which unfairly edits any pro-gun posting to benefit the anti-gunners who post there.
Here's an example of the sort of crap tha anti's shovel out on Matilda, it goes without saying that mud has not threatened Cardigan in any way, this is the sort of debate/abuse from anti-gunners that AussieSeek considers acceptable
"Mud Look I'm really really sorry please put the gun away please don't hurt me, yes you are right guns are for self defence and they're good look man I didn't mean it, just don't f[post edited by me] kill me, please?
Look I'm sorry!"
The Warrigal
Member
Hi John-Melb.
You write:
Quote.
"FACT:- A researcher for a radio station with a reputation for being anti-gun, came onto AussieSeek, quoted one of the anti-gunners extensively and then claimed she wanted to communicate with gun owners for material she was collecting for a upcoming story. I said I wasn’t interested and pointed out that I was sick and tired of media “clowns” and their repeated attacks on lawful firearms ownership."
End Quote.
Thank you for clearing that up John.
From the tone of Aussieseek's post, it sounded like the female journalist had been stalked and physically assaulted by a pro-gun "troll" from his site.
I was going to ask Aussieseek to back up that allegation with a link or Police report if possible to see if he was telling the truth or not, since knowing how anti-gun our media is, if such an assault really had occured, I don't think we would ever have been allowed to hear the end of it!
I came across Aussieseek's site about a year or three ago, and lurked there for several weeks trying to make up my mind wether I should register or not.
I was about to when I read a truly amazing flame by Aussieseek himself, aimed at not just some, but all of the pro-gun posters on his site!
(It also contained the "F" word which Aussieseek of course would never use).
He also alleged that pro-gun posters were hostile to free speech. - (One of his favourite smear tactics apparently).
Funnily enough, at about this same time, Aussieseek's site was defaced in a hacker attack which I recall was later traced back to a venomously anti-gun poster called "Zassy" and some other individual.
Yet for some astonishing reason, not content with flaming pro-gun posters for some obscure reason of his own, Aussieseek also took to spamming his Forum under Zassy's name using drag 'n drop posts lifted straight from GCA's website.
Being at a complete loss to explain such schizophrenic behaviour, I concluded that I would simply be wasting my time at Aussieseek's rather bizarre Forum.
I have looked at his site again since he started posting here, and far from having improved since I first laid eyes on it, it is even weirder now than it was about three years ago.
One also notes that it is not just John-Melb who has abandoned Aussieseek.
Many other, - (in some cases long term supporters of his site), - have left citing his one eyed style of Moderation as the reason for their departure.
From what I can judge, Aussieseek's own posts here at THR have done more to reduce his credibility than any allegation of bias made against him by some of his ex-Forumites.
Well....it's his Forum, he pays the bandwidth and he can run it any way he pleases.
If he chooses to run it like a pig wallow for the more hebephrenic of antis, then he is more than welcome to.
Although what he doing at THR other than wasting bandwidth I have no idea.
You write:
Quote.
"FACT:- A researcher for a radio station with a reputation for being anti-gun, came onto AussieSeek, quoted one of the anti-gunners extensively and then claimed she wanted to communicate with gun owners for material she was collecting for a upcoming story. I said I wasn’t interested and pointed out that I was sick and tired of media “clowns” and their repeated attacks on lawful firearms ownership."
End Quote.
Thank you for clearing that up John.
From the tone of Aussieseek's post, it sounded like the female journalist had been stalked and physically assaulted by a pro-gun "troll" from his site.
I was going to ask Aussieseek to back up that allegation with a link or Police report if possible to see if he was telling the truth or not, since knowing how anti-gun our media is, if such an assault really had occured, I don't think we would ever have been allowed to hear the end of it!
I came across Aussieseek's site about a year or three ago, and lurked there for several weeks trying to make up my mind wether I should register or not.
I was about to when I read a truly amazing flame by Aussieseek himself, aimed at not just some, but all of the pro-gun posters on his site!
(It also contained the "F" word which Aussieseek of course would never use).
He also alleged that pro-gun posters were hostile to free speech. - (One of his favourite smear tactics apparently).
Funnily enough, at about this same time, Aussieseek's site was defaced in a hacker attack which I recall was later traced back to a venomously anti-gun poster called "Zassy" and some other individual.
Yet for some astonishing reason, not content with flaming pro-gun posters for some obscure reason of his own, Aussieseek also took to spamming his Forum under Zassy's name using drag 'n drop posts lifted straight from GCA's website.
Being at a complete loss to explain such schizophrenic behaviour, I concluded that I would simply be wasting my time at Aussieseek's rather bizarre Forum.
I have looked at his site again since he started posting here, and far from having improved since I first laid eyes on it, it is even weirder now than it was about three years ago.
One also notes that it is not just John-Melb who has abandoned Aussieseek.
Many other, - (in some cases long term supporters of his site), - have left citing his one eyed style of Moderation as the reason for their departure.
From what I can judge, Aussieseek's own posts here at THR have done more to reduce his credibility than any allegation of bias made against him by some of his ex-Forumites.
Well....it's his Forum, he pays the bandwidth and he can run it any way he pleases.
If he chooses to run it like a pig wallow for the more hebephrenic of antis, then he is more than welcome to.
Although what he doing at THR other than wasting bandwidth I have no idea.
Aussieseek
member
Look at bright eyed robertau1778
John,
All can see how you turn pro gun posters into anti gunners.
Look at bright eyed robertau1778 and what you just dealt out to him.
. He is a shooter and bothers to try and get some idea on the new buyback . He finds out and jumps on the forum to give hope to all and what do you do ? here on this forum in broad daylight?
You abuse him ! ........ Look at your attack on him here on this board.
I would have thought with Every single party in Australia
except the shooters party being anti gun and the National Party being a rural based entity and the least antigun by total member opinions of all of them, that it was the best and only window left open.
But not you .. You seize upon an outdated opinion of a retired
national party boffin who no longer dictates party policy, Grab it and post it to insult robertau1788.
Now as HOWARD has to listen to the National party who are in coalition with him please realise that what they say To him IS important.
Things like spend the $6 Billion on WATER and not a few accidental deaths.
So you ARE an anti gun spoiler and robertau1788 has the good sense to ignore you. He has joined the forum and I am glad to have him there.
As for the journalist you also demolished and turned into an anti gunner
She is a Farmers Daughter and was not known to you.NO way was she anti gun and as moderator (or warden) I get to know whats gets in and out and who is up who for the rent. You called her a media clown”and singled her out to blame her and make her responsible for the entire unfair treatement by media of firearms ownership (which is true.)
Oh yeah like prisoner X is black, so all blacks are Bad.
I dont think So !!!
My problem is not the Anti Gun Posters on Aussieseek or Matilda. We can laugh at them,
(although there not as funny as The Warrigal )
Its in keeping your self harm with the razor blades away.
Why do people do that?
John,
All can see how you turn pro gun posters into anti gunners.
Look at bright eyed robertau1778 and what you just dealt out to him.
. He is a shooter and bothers to try and get some idea on the new buyback . He finds out and jumps on the forum to give hope to all and what do you do ? here on this forum in broad daylight?
You abuse him ! ........ Look at your attack on him here on this board.
I would have thought with Every single party in Australia
except the shooters party being anti gun and the National Party being a rural based entity and the least antigun by total member opinions of all of them, that it was the best and only window left open.
But not you .. You seize upon an outdated opinion of a retired
national party boffin who no longer dictates party policy, Grab it and post it to insult robertau1788.
Now as HOWARD has to listen to the National party who are in coalition with him please realise that what they say To him IS important.
Things like spend the $6 Billion on WATER and not a few accidental deaths.
So you ARE an anti gun spoiler and robertau1788 has the good sense to ignore you. He has joined the forum and I am glad to have him there.
As for the journalist you also demolished and turned into an anti gunner
She is a Farmers Daughter and was not known to you.NO way was she anti gun and as moderator (or warden) I get to know whats gets in and out and who is up who for the rent. You called her a media clown”and singled her out to blame her and make her responsible for the entire unfair treatement by media of firearms ownership (which is true.)
Oh yeah like prisoner X is black, so all blacks are Bad.
I dont think So !!!
My problem is not the Anti Gun Posters on Aussieseek or Matilda. We can laugh at them,
(although there not as funny as The Warrigal )
Its in keeping your self harm with the razor blades away.
Why do people do that?
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john, i was the one posting under the name "mud" i guess they didnt like what i had to say. i have learned to ignore them.
robertau1788
Member
Your Spamming of Matilda and Aussieseek
In view of the damage you caused ( no offence) to all of us maybe it is better you do. My new posts there will give you some positive direction in emailing members of parliment showing them how responsible we are and how the buyback is not needed.
In view of the damage you caused ( no offence) to all of us maybe it is better you do. My new posts there will give you some positive direction in emailing members of parliment showing them how responsible we are and how the buyback is not needed.
The Warrigal
Member
Aussieseek.
You write:
Quote.
"My problem is not the Anti Gun Posters on Aussieseek or Matilda. We can laugh at them,
(although there not as funny as The Warrigal"
End Quote.
I notice my brave friend that you slunk back here to insert that last little barb aimed at me as it wasn't in your original post.
Tell me, in addition to being allegedly blind, are you obliged to shave the the palms of your hands every morning?
I did not set out to insult you.
I merely pointed out why I choose to ignore you Forum.
There appear to be a number of people here, - (and at other Forums), - who have you pegged for a capital "T" Troll.
Judging from your posts I can only wonder why.
I am aware from the posts concerning your site that you have an axe to grind with several of your former members.
Perhaps there are multiple issues going on at aussieseek that we don't know about but which you, for some reason, don't want to inform us about.
It is perfectly possible that some pro-gun posters have set out to disrupt your Forum.
But having only your word against theirs, we can only decide who we believe in this matter, and so far I don't find you very credible.
You write:
Quote.
"My problem is not the Anti Gun Posters on Aussieseek or Matilda. We can laugh at them,
(although there not as funny as The Warrigal"
End Quote.
I notice my brave friend that you slunk back here to insert that last little barb aimed at me as it wasn't in your original post.
Tell me, in addition to being allegedly blind, are you obliged to shave the the palms of your hands every morning?
I did not set out to insult you.
I merely pointed out why I choose to ignore you Forum.
There appear to be a number of people here, - (and at other Forums), - who have you pegged for a capital "T" Troll.
Judging from your posts I can only wonder why.
I am aware from the posts concerning your site that you have an axe to grind with several of your former members.
Perhaps there are multiple issues going on at aussieseek that we don't know about but which you, for some reason, don't want to inform us about.
It is perfectly possible that some pro-gun posters have set out to disrupt your Forum.
But having only your word against theirs, we can only decide who we believe in this matter, and so far I don't find you very credible.
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