How "Not" to hold a revolver

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Got this from a friend of mine (via E-mail forward):

How NOT to hold a revolver!
A St. Louis, Missouri guy on my AR-15 forum had a bad accident with
his S&W 460XVR Magnum yesterday. He was shooting with a two handed
hold and got his left thumb up near the lower front of the cylinder.
The normal (powerful) gasses blowing out at the barrel/cylinder gap
ripped the top of his left thumb off. I've added some of his posts &
some pics:

S&W 460XVR Magnum
460XVR blew my thumb off today!

No joke, about 1/2 of my left thumb is gone ... what's left is a friggin mess.

It's pretty hard to type, and I'm only posting because you never know,
it might save somebody else a thumb. I was using a 2-handed grip,
fired off a Cor-Bon DPX .460 and the blast came violently out the side
of the gun.

At first my thumb was so covered in blood that I couldn't see how bad
it was ... and I was full of adrenaline and felt no pain. And honestly
it looked really bad, my whole hand was covered in blood and it was
kinda gushing.

The blown-off thumb was on my support hand. I'll re-create the grip
tomorrow to see where my thumb was, but it's not like I didn't already
know not to get any body part near the cylinder gap. And even if I
totally screwed up and did, taking my thumb clean off seems a bit
excessive?

Just be careful with those 460's. That case operates at such high
pressure, it's just asking for trouble.

BTW, I bought my 460 new and had exactly 12 rounds through it. Info
about the gun, it's a full-size 460 with the 8 3/4' barrel and factory
installed compensator. It's one of the Whitetails Unlimited models.

Ammo was 200gr Cor-Bon DPX.

The gun only had 12 or 13 rounds of the Cor-Bon through it, and 10 .45
Long Colt rounds through it. So it was essentially still brand new.

Saw a hand specialist while there today. Lots of ways to try and save
what's left, but first I just have to hope it doesn't get infected in
the next few days ... then surgery early next week.

The hand specialist I spent a few hours with last night said that in
gunshot wounds there is always a lot more damage than is firstvisible
...same with things like fireworks going off in your hand. A lot more
flesh around the wound is dead, and will rot and fall off over the
next couple days. That's why it's so important to keep clean, and
that's also why they can't do surgery now. If they wrapped new skin
over dead skin it would just puss out, possibly turn gang-green, and
they'd have to start all over again.

/////////

Ugly pics:

http://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php?p=7767070&postcount=54
 
OMG!!
I am so sorry for you! (I mean Him)

I have had extremity injuries,,,,,, not fun for a long time.

Good on you for posting the pictures. They should be required viewing for everyone who handles any type of “Tool” be it Guns or power tools.

God speed his recovery.

Similar incident many years ago. I allowed a friend to shoot my .357 Colt trooper and he grasp the revolver with his right hand on the grip and his left hand around the cylinder and with his left thumb pointing forward. Before I could stop him he touched off a round and nearly thru my gun in the river.
His first words while he was vigorously shaking his hand were “I had a fire cracker do that to me once.” Funny now but not then.
I believe he carried a lead and powder burn “tattoo” of the cylinder profile on his hand for several years.

We can never be too careful.

Vern
 
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Unfortunate accident. I suspect he shoots semis a lot where the extended support hand thumb is the norm.

One good thing about this type of accident is that it can only happen once. After that the thumb is too short to reach the gap!
 
The extended thumb is not the issue here. The left hand is very plainly just too far forward on the gun, period.
It's not wrapped around the right hand, offers no support or control under recoil whatever, and places the thumb in danger.
That hold is sheer ignorance.
Denis
 
He really took a reaming on AR15.com, since that's where he posted his story. He was musing about lawsuits and other ramblings because he didn't know that revolvers had barrel/cylinder gap blast and that he was amazed that S&W could produce such a dangerous product. :rolleyes:
 
He really took a reaming on AR15.com, since that's where he posted his story. He was musing about lawsuits and other ramblings because he didn't know that revolvers had barrel/cylinder gap blast and that he was amazed that S&W could produce such a dangerous product.

It is an ugly, terrible accident and I have great sympathy. However, one just has to wonder why he didn't realize that any firearm is dangerous. Last time I checked an owners manual, it was about 50% safety and warning statements. That should have given him a clue. He didn't know a .460 magnum was a big, honking, potentially dangerous firearm and now wants to sue. Give me a break.
 
I feel for the guy! I am employed as a surgical technologist; I have been doing it for over 11 years, with 7+ years in trauma center hospitals; any type of gun powder burn, explosion burn, hot gas burn, or electrical burn, there is delayed damage that sets in during the followoing days/weeks after the initial traumatic injury;

calling the guy an idiot does him no good...this includes AR15.com and here on THR :mad: ; have some empathy for the guy and respect him for fessing up that he made a mistake & was even courageous enough to post about it so others can learn and avoid such an incident!!!

as a preventative, I have converted my grip on revolvers (and show others to do the same) by taking the thumb from my support hand and grab the thumb of the firing hand and tucking them back on the frame (like older LEO's who have used revolvers during their careers)
 
It's funny, I was just at the range a couple of hours ago shooting a 13-3 noticing the occasional flash shooting out between the cylinder and forcing cone. I thought to myself that it would hurt to have a finger there. I went to YouTube to see how prevalent that flash was and I saw it with a lot of revolvers, especially the .500.

Right I was, that must have smarted.
 
The blown-off thumb was on my support hand. I'll re-create the grip
tomorrow to see where my thumb was, but it's not like I didn't already
know not to get any body part near the cylinder gap. And even if I
totally screwed up and did, taking my thumb clean off seems a bit
excessive?

I just tried to re-create a grip on my .460 that would leave my thumb vulnerable as described in the O.P., and found with my hands, it's a hard proposition. Awkward at best. Coulda been from a rest where the thumb was between the gun and a shooting bag. First thing I warn all before they shoot my .460 to keep anything they don't want hurt behind the cylinder. It's very hard on shooting bags and I would never use a good hunting jacket rolled up as a rest, for fear of burnin'/blowing a hole in it.
Still, it's hard for me to imagine this was anything but a freak accident due to a special set of circumstances.........combined with a victim who tried to shoot hot loads outta a hand cannon, while holding it like a little girl.
 
I use thumbs forward grips on semiautos and thumbs over grips on revolvers. As for "shooting like a girl" I wish I could shoot like the last girl I saw shooting. Not a lady to cross, unless you wanted double taps less than an inch apart.
 
Nasty. I hope he is able to keep most of what he has left on that thumb. :(

I know a carpenter with about half a left thumb. He does pretty good. you would not know if you did not look close. I guess you get used to it. I have a friend who blew 277 out a knuckle on his pointer finger. That finger won't bend anymore. He adapted as well. I guess I have been lucky all these years being around equipment and working with power. Been shocked numerous times. All it takes is getting shocked the right way once to get you or cut/crush something off with equipment. It's kind of like reloading. It takes great attention to detail and being alert always. And a little luck.
 
That is horrible...

I really, really feel bad for this person.

This person unfortunately learned the hard way that you can't put your hand that close to the cylinder gap. If a person isn't familiar with revolvers, it would be a very simple mistake to make. I'm just sad that he had to learn this with a such a powerful handgun.
 
Damn, it hurts just looking at it. Even if the thumb can't be whole again, at least most of it is intact to still be useful.

While I don't think that a lawsuit is the proper response, I'm grateful that the poster shared his gruesome experience with the rest of us. Anyone can get a little too sloppy over time and this was a very good reason to stay mindful all the time.
 
Damn. I thought that the stripe that my friend got from a .357 on his index finger the first time he shot a revolver was bad. (Don't ask me how he managed to get his index finger along the cylinder but he did.)
 
my younger brother did pretty much that same thing when shooting my s&w model 13 the first time... i'm glad there were only .38 spl in the cylinder! he got a pretty good burn from it! i have always remebered that day and kept my hands both on the grip when shooting...
 
wow,

Well, I learned something today. Had no idea something like that was possible without the gun blowing out the cylinder. Let alone a normal flash on a large revolver. Lesson Learned and it will be passed on to family and friend alike.
The post did make a difference here, I'll be sure not to try that.
 
Wow, that person is highly unskilled the use of a tool. Best not let him handle a shovel. He would loose his toes. Maybe he should have applied for an ID 10 t badge before buying such a powerfull, dangerous tool.
 
I guess you should find out what type of handling is dangerous with your gun before firing it, but still: Guns should have only ONE business end for crying out loud!!!

I think that a firearm that can make holes in you with any part other than the muzzle should be reconfigured ASAP. If I were juror, I would say the manufacturer was negligent for not providing some sort of physical shield in that area, or at least a clear stamping on the cylinder reading "WARNING: escaping gases will amputate fingers", with arrows pointing at the cylinder gap.
 
Being an auto and action pistol guy I shoot my .45 revos thumbs forward, just get a dirty thumbnail, the grip is repeatable and natural so I use it. I know better with hot calibers though. I saw a pic on the web somewhere of a guy who had made a rest out of his thumb and index finger gap. Stuck his .44 in said rest just in front of the frame. Nice bloddy powder specked groove all the way across his palm. Ouchee!
 
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