How the 4 rules saved my skin-- OR-- How my Rock Island tried to kill my car! (AD)

[VegasOPM]

:banghead::banghead::banghead:
I'm guessing that the ND vs AD thing rests solely on the fact that the round was inserted directly into the chamber as opposed to being stripped from the magazine. While not a perfect method, I do practice this regularly for tactical situations (just because the mag is busted doesn't mean that the gun is worthless) and I can say that it has never happened with any of my 1911's.
I did however have an AD when a trigger job was poorly executed. The sear followed and I put a hole in the floor. The round was stripped from a magazine and the slide release was used. "Easing down" the slide to chamber a round is not proper protocol. Spring tension is needed to assure full battery.

 

[bowl443]

Here's a good rule of thumb. If the gun goes off without activation of the trigger, its a friggin AD.

No finger on the trigger equals AD.

It might not have been the best of handling practices, but still an AD IMHO.

 

[nplant]

No argument on the "AD/ND" thing from me - I just pointed out that one could argue that one of the rules was not strictly followed. To follow it, I offered a suggestion of a product that might have provided some additional safety to the OP. No panties in bunches. Just tryin' to be helpful.

Oh, and it's not a slamfire when the sear, safety or other piece mechanically breaks and the hammer strikes the firing pin. That's called a mechanical failure. It's not the same as a slamfire, which occurs when a (normally) free-floating firing pin either becomes jammed into place by cosmoline or other gunk and touches off a round, OR when the primer cup of the round being sent into battery is very soft, and the inertia of the firing pin is enough to set off the primer.

That, and your pump action shotgun just doesn't work in the same way as a 1911.

Keaner - glad to hear that you only had the one round in the pipe. For some reason, I imagined that you magically got the slide to close over a magazine full of ammo (yeah, I know, I wasn't picturing the scenario exactly right). I'm also glad that you didn't have to pay the good doctors at your local emergency room any money.

 

[FCFC]

No finger on the trigger equals AD.

Hardly a good rule.

There was a story a year or two ago of an LEO who went to a restaurant men's room to relieve himself. He went into a stall and prepared to do his biz, hanging his GLOCK on the coat hook on the inside of the door.

When done, he went to retrieve the pistol, reaching for it by the handle. Unfortunately, and stupidly, he pushed the gun up...just a leetle bit...and...
KAPOW!!!!

.40 caliber hole in the ceiling.

The LEO never touched the trigger.

According to your criterion, the men's room stall LEO shooter did not have a ND.

That was hardly the case. He got in big trouble for it.

Although most NDs happen from putting the ole booger hook on the bang switch, they don't all happen that way. It's possible to make a gun discharge by simply handling it in the wrong way.

Or by handling a defective gun in an unsafe manner that could have been avoided. That's what the OP did. He decided to load his gun, in a spur of the moment, in a manner that was improper and that he never used before. If he wanted to load up individual rounds through the port, he should have tested his gun before he started carrying it. He failed to do so. The reason he failed to do so is that he was a raw beginner. He had finally gotten his carry gun after waiting a long time waiting. He checked out the gun and pronounced it fit for carry. Then he carried a gun and loaded it in a manner that was incredibly lazy and a) that made no sense, and, b) that he had never practiced or checked out before. Even though he easily could have done it. He decided to carry an unsafe gun.

And had an ND the first time he carried.

A shame.

He's lucky he didn't get arrested.

I wish him better luck next time.

 

[Keaner]

FCFC- I think I see your mistake in this. I HAD dropped the slide in that manner before, just without a round in it. This was the first time it malfunctioned in the way that dropped the hammer. This was the 'first time' that it dropped the hammer on closing the slide.

By the time I sent it out, it was dropping the hammer to the 2nd notch no matter what the situation. I had tested the gun quite a bit, and had carried it before, without issue.

I think I just got unlucky that the first time it decided to malfunction was the time that it had a round in the chamber

 

[bowl443]

According to your criterion, the men's room stall LEO shooter did not have a ND.

I'm not saying that this is a rule to follow for safety, just a form of classifying AD/ND.

I agree that simply removing your finger from the trigger isn't enough to be an addendum to the four rules.

 

[Fleetwood_Captain]

Well I never claimed to be the formost expert here. Sure, the 1911 is old fashioned an likes to be shot a certain way. But if the hammer is following the slide, then there's obviously something going seriously wrong here.

At any rate, it sounds like this is simply a defective gun. Not suprising for a knockoff 1911 that retails for the same price as a Charter Arms Bulldog.

 

[Keaner]

UPDATE:

I just got the 1911 back from RIA, and it seems to be fixed. I think they did some 'tuning' as well, since the trigger and seem smother.

They were pretty good for support, though I still would have rathered this didn't happen.