How to M1911 SBR?

[Swing]

Before continuing I need to say I'm very familiar with the route to legally papering a SBR. So my question isn't related to handling the paperwork and taxation of an NFA item.

That said, has anyone created a stocked M1911 and, if so, how? What are one's options to easily building one? I've seen examples (both historically and current) but am not sure of the actual mechanics.

Thanx all. I be appreciating it.

 

[Prince Yamato]

I know that there are aftermarket wood stocks that connect to the rear of the pistol alla a browning hi-power. I don't know if they are quick detach or not. That's your option if you want a 1930s style look. Otherwise you can chop a mech-tech upper or you can use the new Hera arms conversion.

 

[Ian]

I would think that the easiest way would be to get a repro Broomhandle or Hi-Power stock and mill a slot in a 1911 backstrap to match it (once you have the paperwork back). No permanent modification to your 1911 needed.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXh3nRd1K8U

non standard but cool.

 

[Swing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXh3nRd1K8U

non standard but cool.

Be still, my beating heart.

 

[Rail Driver]

If I'm not mistaken, I seem to recall a company that made mainspring housings that accept a stock of some sort, or had one attached. I would have to ride a search engine for awhile to find it, but I'm pretty sure there's one out there.

 

[Ian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXh3nRd1K8U

non standard but cool.

The guy shown in that video is Bob Faris, who made that modified pistol himself in Korea in the 50s. He was an armorer there at the time, and had some spare time on his hands at the end of the war (he also designed a pretty good scope mount for the Browning M2 at the time).

He was also one of the most knowledgeable military and machine gun collector around, until his unfortunate passing back in February.

 

[rjrivero]

Beeman used to make a Shoulder Stock for their P1 Airgun which had the same grips as a 1911.

They were attached by brackets that went under the grips and held the stock in place.



As Rail Driver said, the old school ones had a notch in the main spring housing that fitted to the stock. The stock could also act as a holster for these pistols. They were quite a popular accessory for 1911's, Browning Hi Powers, and Mausers back in the day.

 

[MasterSergeantA]

Gun Parts has them.
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=588350&filter=1911+stock&catid=0
You may need to buy the whole kit to get what you need, but call them and ask.

 

[Sharpie443]

ASA sells a 1911 SBR kit. Not trying to pimp out the company but i thought I'd mention it. It's a more modernized version. Like the Glock SBR kit.

http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/1911_SBR_Kit.html

 

[fatcat4620]

I did not think you needed an sbr stamp as long as the gun and stock are original (very old).

 

[Sam1911]

I did not think you needed an sbr stamp as long as the gun and stock are original (very old).

The weapons covered under that list are very specific. I can't locate the list at the moment, but a current-production 1911 isn't on it.

 

[Swing]

Thanx all. The one on GunParts looks like it would work after all the NFA stuff is handled, of course.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

The weapons covered under that list are very specific. I can't locate the list at the moment, but a current-production 1911 isn't on it.

I remember it being a Inglis Hi Power with the notches for a buttstock, Mauser C96 pistols and Artillery Lugers. Might be wrong though.

 

[Sam1911]

I remember it being a Inglis Hi Power with the notches for a buttstock, Mauser C96 pistols and Artillery Lugers. Might be wrong though.

Yes, but there were specifics about WHICH of each were good to go, and then there was a question about whether replicas of the gun or replicas of the stock, or both, or neither, would be exempted (no replicas seems to be the common theme), and I think some decision there changed recently. But I can't find the info now.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

As I recall, you can use replica stocks on original guns. It came out of being able to tell if the stock was original or not was too hard.

 

[Ian]

You can find the list of exempt guns here:

http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-11/atf-p-5300-11.pdf

It's a 6MB download, and the list of guns specifically exempted from the NFA starts on page 34.

In addition to C96 Mausers and Hi Powers, there are some other interesting guns listed, like the Papa Nambu.

 

[Sam1911]

Thanks Ian! For whatever reason, all the other links I found were dead!

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Could you tell me if replica stocks are okay on certain handguns Ian?

 

[Ian]

My understanding is that the exemptions only apply to original stocks. They can be really anal, too - for example it's legal to put a naval original stock on a naval-marked Luger, but not an original artillery stock on the same naval Luger.

 

[Jim K]

There have been many M1911 MSHs slotted for those Inglis BHP stocks without benefit of blessing by ATF, and I have fired some. I also have fired a stocked BHP, Luger, and a C96, plus a Schnellfeuer and an Astra and some others I don't even remember today.

The problem is that without very good hearing protection, a shoulder stocked pistol is brutal. With the stock against the right shoulder, and the gun held in two hands, the muzzle comes about 6 inches from the left ear. Even the C96 type, with a longer barrel and a longer stock is still nasty. And accuracy is not increased that much. The armies that tried the system gave it up for those reasons and went back to carbines instead.

Those who carried pistols for one reason or another found it easier to use a good two hand hold, which didn't involve the trouble of attaching a stock to the pistol or carrying the stock around in the first place.

Jim