Howa Ranchland Compact Rifles?

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I'm in the market for a compact, 20" barrel, bolt gun. I have been thinking of a Remington Model 7 or one of Rugers compact rifles.
I just found the Howa line. Have any of you had any experience with these guns. I'm not looking for anything really accurate, I can live with 2 MOA.
 
They're the same action as the Weatherby Vanguard series. See Weatherby's site for more info.

My Vanguard shoots 1.5 MOA with factory, and .75 MOA with handloads so far.

They're great guns, durable, accurate. Similar to the Remington in design (even use the same scope bases), but with a better safety for practical use.

Howas may have a relatively low price tag, but they're every bit as good as the Remington is.

Many of Remington's prices have become silly, completely out of line with the quality and features of their firearms. I'd CERTAINLY put the Model 7 in that category.

If you want a lightweight bolt rifle, and you're looking to spend Model 7 money, get a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight.

The new ones are GORGEOUS, smooth as silk, controlled-round-feed, with 3-position safeties. In short, they're in a class far above the Remington, for about the same price or less, made in USA. 2 more inches of barrel, same weight.

IMO if you want a great lightweight bolt gun for the best price, the Howa Ranchland or Weatherby Vanguard Carbine (different stock, also 20"). If you want a great lighweight bolt gun and don't mind spending, the Winchester Model 70.

The Ruger 77 Mk IIs WERE nice, but I've checked out the new Hawkeyes and they're really rough. The bolt feels about as smooth as a bucket of bolts. Not worth the price IMO.

The Remington Model 7 is a well-balanced, neat little package, but the prices they want for them now are far more than the rifle is worth. Furthermore, a safety that won't lock the bolt down is not acceptable, to me, in a rifle for field use. (The current Rugers are 3-position, but don't lock the bolt DOWN, either.)

That's my 2 cents. Check out the guns in the shop YOURSELF before deciding.

The Weatherby action is the same as the Howa, so you can get a good idea about the gun if you can only find the Weatherby. Weatherby guarantees 1.5 MOA with factory ammo, for that carbine, BTW.
 
not familiar w/ the specific rifle you're looking at, but howa makes a solid rifle.

the ruger compact, if that is what you are considering, does not have a 20" barrel... most new m7's don't either...at least i don't think they do. i like 17-19" barrels on quick, compact rifles, but the noise is a concern, and if you are set on 20", you should find one that is 20", or buy longer and spend the $50 to have a 'smith cut and crown it at 20.
 
The Howa is great for the money... they are however made in japan, if your one of these people who prefers to buy American....
Anyway the Howa will cost less than the Vanguards(another Jap built rifle), Remingtons or Savages and the Howa will shoot pretty good.

It's kinda like a Taurus, you may buy 10 that shoot great, and the 11th one will be such a turd. :barf:

No good way to tell if the Howa your buying is a skunk, you'll just have to chance it. :scrutiny:

We sell quite a few of the Howas, I have seen some of them shoot into a snuff can at 200y- :what:

BTW.. The Remington Model 7 has a 20" barrel, unless you get the SAUM version which will have a 22" barrel.

As dakotasin said.. the Ruger compact also has an 16.5" barrel.

2" of barrel must weigh every bit of 3-4oz., don't you think? I might get a Savage with a
22" Sporter barrel, they are the lightest factory sporter barrel out there, and the extra 2" will make a BIG differance in preformance!

Good Luck-
 
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I don't know where you guys are getting that info, but it's all wrong.

The M7 is a 20" barrel same as always. Ruger's compacts have been 16.25", ultralights are 20". The only bolt they've made near 18" in recent times is the full-stock International version.

WRT Howa QC, I'm not sure. The Weatherby rifles are QCed by an American company, so maybe not all Howa-branded guns pass muster. The Vanguards do.

I haven't seen a bad Howa. Doesn't mean they don't exist.

The Vanguard Compact is available for around 400 bucks if you look around (look at Gallery of Guns or Cabela's). It's no more than the Howa. I'd buy the Weatherby because I like their stock design, myself, but that's personal preference.
 
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