Hunting Death in Wisconsin

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Wisconsin sheriff says Hmong hunter's death was homicide
January 8, 2007
Marinette, Wis. — (AP) - Marinette County Sheriff Jim Kanikula confirmed that a Hmong immigrant found dead Saturday morning in northeastern Wisconsin wildlife area was murdered, but declined to specify the cause of death.

He said only that an "accidental meeting" between the Hmong hunter, Cha Vang, 30, of Green Bay, and another man pursuing small game, 28-year-old James Nichols of Peshtigo, led to Vang's death.

"While there is much I would like to tell you, there is much I cannot tell you," Kanikula said at a Monday news conference at his office.

The sheriff's department did release a recording of the 911 call in which Vang's hunting companions reported him missing.

Caller Pao Moua described Vang as about 30 years old, and said he was wearing camouflage and had no known medical problems.

"He is familiar with this place," Pao told the dispatcher calmly. He then agreed to wait at the house where he was calling from for deputies to arrive.

An autopsy conducted Monday confirmed Vang's death was a homicide, the sheriff said. But he declined to provide any other information, saying newly-elected Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen had advised him not to say how Vang died until criminal charges were filed sometime this week.

Kanikula referred all other questions to the attorney general's office in Madison.

Van Hollen's spokesman Kevin St. John declined to discuss the case.

"We can't comment, we're not going to comment," St. John said. "But I can say we've been asked by the local district attorney for assistance and we've agreed to provide assistant attorneys general, to help with the criminal investigation and provide crime lab resources as well."

Vang's body was found Saturday partially concealed in the Peshtigo Harbor Wildlife Area. His wife has said he spoke little English and was unlikely to have instigated an argument or provoked an attack.

Deputies arrested Nichols Saturday at a medical center in Marinette after he showed up with a single non-life threatening gunshot wound. Kanikula said Monday that Nichols was being held for a probation violation as a felon in possession of a firearm.

Nichols is a suspect in Vang's death, he said.

"The person in custody we believe is the responsible person to be talking to at this time in Vang's death," he said.

Asked whether Nichols had confessed, Kanikula declined to comment other than to say he "has been cooperative up to this point."

"We are in possession of the weapon or weapons involved," he added.

Kanikula said both men were using firearms to hunt small game in an area where they had hunted before.

Asked whether Vang could be the victim of an accidental shooting, the sheriff said: "I don't know."

Kanikula also said he did not know if Vang's death was a hate crime.

Vang's death comes little more than a year after Hmong immigrant Chai Soua Vang, 38, of St. Paul, Minn., was sentenced to life in prison for killing six and injuring two white hunters. He claimed one of them fired a shot in his direction after they shouted racial epithets and cursed at him in northwestern Wisconsin in November 2004.

The former truck driver is serving multiple life terms.

Those slayings exposed racial tension between the predominantly white northwoods and Hmong people who have immigrated to the Midwest.

(Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
 
Update to Death

http://http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/articles/index.cfm?id=32849&section=homepage&freebie_check&CFID=3504762&CFTOKEN=13931017&jsessionid=883052014e0016614d3f


Man’s fiancee says he killed hunter in self-defense
BY ROBERT IMRIE, Associated Press
Published Wednesday, January 10, 2007

WAUSAU, Wis. — A man jailed in the death of another squirrel hunter in northern Wisconsin was shot once in each hand before the two wrestled in the woods and he stabbed the victim with a knife he carried to cut the tails off his quarry, the suspect’s fiancee told the Associated Press on Tuesday.

Dacia James said she was the first person that James Nichols of Peshtigo, Wis., talked to after the incident that killed Cha Vang, 30, of Green Bay late Friday afternoon in a public hunting area just south of Peshtigo.

James, 20, said Nichols, 28, indicated to her that he acted in self-defense after being shot in the hands.




“There was a verbal confrontation first,” James said in a telephone interview from her home in Marinette, Wis. “Jim told me that he had stabbed the guy. That is all I know.”

Marinette County Sheriff Jim Kanikula has released few details of the investigation into Vang’s death, other than that it occurred after an “accidental meeting” between Vang and another hunter. The sheriff did not immediately return a telephone message Tuesday seeking comment on what James said.

Nichols didn’t immediately report the incident to police because he panicked and was frightened because he was on probation for burglary, James said. But Nichols, after seeking medical care with James at his side, helped investigators try to locate Vang’s body within hours of the incident, James said.

Vang’s body was found Saturday partially concealed in the Peshtigo Harbor Wildlife Area. Vang’s wife has said he spoke no English and could not have provoked an attack.

Nichols has not been charged in the slaying but was jailed early Saturday on a probation violation as a felon in possession of a firearm related to the punishment for some 1997 convictions for burglary.

Kanikula has said Vang was murdered but has not revealed the cause of the death on the advice of the state attorney general’s office, which is involved in the investigation.

The incident involving Vang, who is Hmong, has threatened to re-expose racial tensions in the north woods.

His death came a little more than two years after Hmong immigrant Chai Soua Vang, 38, of St. Paul killed six white hunters and injured two in Northwestern Wisconsin. He claimed one of them fired in his direction after they shouted racial epithets. He is serving multiple life terms.

The two men are not related. Vang is a common name among the Hmong, who have immigrated from Southeast Asia to the Midwest in large numbers since the end of the Vietnam War.

Even before the 2004 shootings, Hmong hunters claimed they had been harassed, and whites complained that the Hmong do not get permission to hunt on private property.

Kanikula has said he did not know whether Vang’s death was a hate crime.

According to James, Nichols was squirrel hunting about 4:30 p.m. Friday, focusing on what the squirrels were doing when he heard someone come up to him.

“He turns around and tells the guy that he needs to go to a different spot, not necessarily that he needs to leave the area, but that he was molesting his hunt and scaring the squirrels away,” the fiancee said. “Jim said the guy started talking in gibberish that he couldn’t understand and then fired at him.”

James said Nichols, who was hunting with a 12-gauge shotgun, was hit in the right hand.

“He was shocked,” James said. “He kind of just stopped and looked at his hand, he said. And he kind of laughed because he couldn’t believe it.”

Then a second shot hit Nichols’ little finger on his left hand, James said.

James said she doesn’t know whether Nichols fired his gun at Vang, but she was told there was a fight and Vang was stabbed with the knife that Nichols uses to remove the tails from squirrels.

“Jim didn’t intend to do this. He wasn’t going out hunting for people. He was hunting for squirrels. He was defending himself,” she said. “Jim is not racist at all. He has friends from every ethnic background he has ever come in contact with.”

No one answered the phone at Vang’s home in Green Bay late Tuesday afternoon.

Dick Campbell, a volunteer for the Hmong community in Green Bay who has befriended the Vang family, said he was not surprised by the fiancee’s version of what happened. “I have been waiting for somebody to jump up and defend this guy by saying it was self-defense. That is pretty much par for the course.”

Yia Thao, president of the United Hmong Community Center in Green Bay,


Gbro
 
That's two hmongs in as many years attempting murder on other hunters (and suceeding 6 times in the first)?
Stuff like this makes me glad I hunt on private land where we know we are the only ones there (well, the only ones supposed to be there),
I'm appaled how now everything is a possible hate crime if the losing party isn't white. :barf:
 
The survivors story just doesn't seem right to me. The location of both injuries on the hands, and the fact that he used a knife instead of the shotgun seems more like (in my inexpert opinion) that he was grappling with the other guy for his rifle when the shots were fired, and when he disarmed him started using the knife.
 
Nichols is innocent because he told he fiance he was? I don't think so - ask anybody in prison and most will tell you they are innocent if they think it would get them out.
I think he is "a person of interest" for a reason. Hiding the body is suspicious.
 
Nichols didn’t immediately report the incident to police because he panicked and was frightened because he wason probation for burglary, James said. But Nichols, after seeking medical care with James at his side, helped investigators try to locate Vang’s body within hours of the incident, James said.

If it was murder, he's going to jail for a long time.
If it was self-defense, he's going to jail for a long time.

What (non-Hmong-hating) jury is going to believe a word of his testimony? Even Johnny Cochran would have gone for a plea bargain on this one. :scrutiny:
 
A freind of mine has three #6 shot, one in each back of hand and one in lower jaw from some kid not waiting until pheasant rose high enough to clear other hunters. Both were approaching the top of low hill where bird was seen to land on public land.

Got nu'tting do do with case except, it happens.
 
I hunt in Wisconsin.
It is funny that the white guys are complaining that immigrant hunters are trespassing on private land to hunt when large groups of white hunters blatantly invade other white guys property and hunt without permission and when the landowner complains these large groups of people tell the landowner to go ahead and call the conservation police or state police for that matter, they know there aren't enough law enforcement personnel available in any given area to show up enmasse and capture everybody or anybody in the group.

These groups of great white hunters are also well known for threatning landowners with grave bodily harm if they try to expell them and threaten to come back and do grave bodily harm to the landowner if he does calls police.

So the white guy in this incident was a felon on probation and the Hmong immigrant had what kind of a criminal record????
The white guy was able to use a knife to kill a man who was armed with a firearm after being shot in both hands!!??
Sumthin' sounds fishy in the great white north.
Decide for yourself on this one guys.
 
Both sides pleading innocence.

The fiance says it was self defense, the hmong spokesman says Vang was the victim. Vang had no previous record, but Nichols was shot in both hands. Nichols was in violation of parole and >posessing a firearm< yet Vang was apparently stabbed to death.

There's enough horse puckey on both sides to make me look around for the pony.
 
Clearly I don't know all the facts, as LE has been pretty closed mouthed about the case, but I enjoy the occasional wager. Anybody want to bet against this story...

White felon is hunting. So is Hmong. White felon, for whatever reason, shoots Hmong hunter. White felon, figuring he needs a back up story stabs dead Hmong hunter then shoots himself with dead Hmong's piece, where it'll do the least amount of damage.
 
I'll take that bet.

I'm not saying Nichols didn't murder Vang. I'm also not saying he did, we don't know. What I do know is that if you get your fingers in front of a shotgun at close range (holding it yourself), there are two options. Miss or lose your fingers. I've seen close range shotgun wounds, I've even talked to a man who decided it would be a good idea to kill himself with a 12 guage and changed his mind at the last minute. Thirty years later, he still looks like a halloween mask.
 
According to the story, Nichols was hunting with the 12 gauge. No mention of Vang's firearm that I saw. .22 is common for tree rats...
 
I love the 'lets blame the white guy' theme in these posts.

I'm a white guy. I've even got grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins that live in Marinette county. Is it safe to assume, based on your comments, that you'll take my wager? Say $10 to the good cause of the winners choice....:)
 
Moot point.

Kfranz, I have to concede the point to you. I seemed to recall reading that Vanf also had a shotgun. "Upon further review", as the refs say, I did not find that. Your point.
 
Guys wake up here

James Nichols is felon who happens to be on probation again!!! I am a white guy and have to admit that I might be siding with the Hmong guy on this one. I would be hard pressed to believe anything that Nichols says. He is a criminal who never learned his lesson. What was he doing with a shotgun?? I don't think felons can even buy a small game license here in WI.
 
nah, your scenerio is as bone headed as your wager.

C'mon, if it's so boneheaded then it would be an easy $10 to the good cause of your choice....

Another story, with a bit of background info on the two involved...

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/st...TE&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2007-01-10-17-33-19

DA: Preliminary probe of hunter's death completed

By ROBERT IMRIE
Associated Press Writer

WAUSAU, Wis. (AP) -- Marinette County District Attorney Brent DeBord said Wednesday that he is reviewing police reports in the death of a 30-year-old squirrel hunter from Green Bay, saying the preliminary investigation of what's been described as a homicide is done.

"I cannot say with any certainty when charges will be filed," the newly elected prosecutor said in his first public statement on the case that has threatened to re-expose racial tensions in the northwoods. "This is a very serious matter and needs to be handled correctly from the beginning. I would ask for the public's continued patience and understanding."

The victim, Cha Vang of Green Bay, is a Hmong refugee and the man jailed as a suspect in the death is a 28-year-old white man from Peshtigo, James Nichols. Vang's body was found Saturday morning in woods near Peshtigo where he and Nichols were squirrel hunting.

Two years ago, a Hmong deer hunter in northwestern Wisconsin fatally shot six white hunters and wounded two others. He claimed one of them fired in his direction after they shouted racial epithets. He is serving multiple life terms.

Marinette County Sheriff Jim Kanikula has released few details of the investigation, including the cause of Vang's death, other than it occurred after an "accidental meeting" between Vang and another hunter, and that Vang's body was found partially concealed in the woods.

Nichols has not been charged in the death but was jailed early Saturday on a probation violation as a felon in possession of a firearm related to 1997 convictions for burglary.

Nichols' fiancee, Dacia James, 20, told The Associated Press on Tuesday that Nichols told her that he asked Vang to leave an area where both were squirrel hunting, there was a verbal confrontation and Vang shot at Nichols twice, hitting him in both hands, before they fought and Nichols stabbed him.

Kanikula was no longer taking calls Wednesday regarding the case, a dispatcher said, and he has not commented on James' version of the incident.

Vang, a father of five, arrived in the U.S. about two years ago from a refugee camp in Thailand. Vang's wife has said the victim spoke no English and could not have provoked an attack.

James said Tuesday she has known Nichols for five years, he was not a racist and "has friends from every ethnic background he has ever come in contact with."

But in 1996, Nichols, then 18, was charged with 14 counts of misdemeanor and felony theft and burglary in the break-ins of seven rural cabins, according to court records.

The owner of one cabin reported that "KKK" and a racial slur for African-Americans were spray-painted on a bedroom door, the criminal complaint said. It also "appeared" KKK was spray-painted on a kitchen counter, the document said.

Nichols told investigators that he and a 15-year-old companion committed the burglaries for money, the complaint said. While admitting stealing items and vandalizing the cabins, including plugging sinks at a cabin and flooding it, neither Nichols nor the 15-year-old acknowledged writing the racist graffiti in statements they gave police, the 10-page complaint said.

Nichols was sentenced to prison after being convicted of three counts of burglary and one count of criminal damage to property. He was released from prison in 2002, the state Department of Corrections said.

According to James, Nichols' reaction to the 2004 shooting rampage in northwestern Wisconsin that killed the six deer hunters was just like everyone else's - dismay and surprise.

"He didn't get racial about it. He didn't swear about it. He was just stunned more than anything that something like that could happen," James said.

Tammy Van Acker, owner of the King of Clubs Grill in Peshtigo, said Nichols has lived in an apartment above the business for about six months and she has come to know him as a quiet guy who was helpful, such as offering to mow the grass.

"He doesn't come off as a malicious person whatsoever," she said. "I never heard him make any anti-Hmong comments."
 
I looked up our felon, here is what he got in trouble for back when he was 18. I made a mistake he was only on probation once for ten years if I am reading the WI Court Access website properly. All of these crimes are felonies I can't figure out why he would do anything with a gun especially out on public property. The DNR are usually thick as thieves out there.

The defendant James Allen Nichols was found guilty of the following charge(s) in this case.
Burglary-Building or Dwelling, a class C felony, Wisconsin Statutes 943.10(1)(a).
Criminal Damage to Property, a class D felony, Wisconsin Statutes 943.01(2).
Burglary-Building or Dwelling, a class C felony, Wisconsin Statutes 943.10(1)(a).
Burglary-Building or Dwelling, a class C felony, Wisconsin Statutes 943.10(1)(a).
 
I love the 'lets blame the white guy' theme in these posts.
Because all non-whites are lairs and murderers?
Whose story looks worse? The white guy's or the Hmong's?
Why were the police looking at a homicide investigation?

I can really give a damn about prior history between Hmong and the locals.

I think people are reacting to the fishier story.

The defendant James Allen Nichols was found guilty of the following charge(s) in this case.
He vandalized property, including spraypainting "KKK" inside and out.
He made sure the insides of places he was in were damaged by flooding the inside.
He buglarized.

His girlfriend claims Nichols isn't racist, but that "KKK" thing makes me think not.
 
So a history of burglary and theft obviously causes someone to eventually murder? Thats a pretty weak logical jump. And how do you get shot in the hand while "grappling", as a previous poster surmised? The Hmong guy was using a .22 rifle, not a handgun.

And if the white guy was out to kill the Hmong guy deliberately, why not just use the shotgun he had? Why bother with the knife? If he was already considering murder, knowing he was on probation and at risk to go back to prison, why wouldnt he just use the shotgun, unless prevented from doing so?
 
This is only about race because we had a Hmong hunter gun down 6 people back in 2004. I also think two white guys that meet in the woods would be a little less tense. I know when I am squirrel hunting now I always carry a sidearm. Before 2004 I didn't bother with the sidearm, but now you never know what might happen out there.
 
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