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Hunting laws that don't seem to be grounded in logic

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by Jason_W, Oct 20, 2013.

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  1. Hunterdad

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    In my county, you can't use a rifle....shotgun only to hunt deer. But....I can use a T/C Contender handgun in .30/30. Never understood that.
     
  2. plumberroy

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    The law here in Ohio that gets me even more than that. Is we can't deer hunt with a rifle even in a pistol round , But I can legally hunt squirrel and rabbits with a 460 weatherby??????
    Roy
     
  3. paintballdude902

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    heck there was no hunting on sunday at all until 2-3 years ago. and even now its only bow hunting on private land.
     
  4. 22250Rem

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    Here's what the geniuses in NY state came up with concerning implement descriptions for big game hunting with a handgun: " ANY CENTERFIRE PISTOL OR REVOLVER. BARREL LENGTH MAY NOT EXCEED 16 INCHES". So according to that I could legally go deer hunting with something like a .380 or .25 ACP pistol. I wonder who was responsible for that one? ( It's on page 26 of of the hunting & trapping guide under "Implement Descriptions" if any of you NYS guys haven't noticed it).
     
  5. MustGoFaster

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    MN used to have restrictions on pistol calibers (minimum cartridge length), but now it's just anything center fire. Not sure I care, not like I'm going to go out with a 9mm to kill a deer.
     
  6. yzguy87

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    "The law here in Ohio that gets me even more than that. Is we can't deer hunt with a rifle even in a pistol round , But I can legally hunt squirrel and rabbits with a 460 weatherby??????"

    My next squirrel rifle my be a 308 or 30-06:rolleyes:
     
  7. blue32

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    I could use a 25acp on a bear but I can't use 17 remington or any centerfire on small game.
     
  8. MrWesson

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    Required safety class for anyone under 35. As if 35 is the magic number for responsibility.

    Require it for everyone I say.

    In the national forest you must hunt with a rimfire or shotgun during small game but they include boar in this category. Shooting boar with a .22lr? PASS
     
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    Davek1977, I should have stated this law applies to Fl.
     
  10. MCgunner

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    Hmm, good excuse to carry my Ruger Old Army loaded to the gills with 777 and a 220 cast hollowpoint. :D
     
  11. PhotoBiker

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    Jason, I'd support striking down that Sunday law, any chance we can get it reversed by next Sunday?

    I not a big fan of the 20 gauge limit on wild turkeys in. Maine either, my son isn't quite ready for a 20 gauge.
     
  12. jrdolall

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    Just try to understand Alabama's new law about the use of supplemental feeding during deer season. There's nothing like a clear cut law with no grey areas and no interpretation.

    Basically it is legal to use "bait" so long as the bait is at least 100 yards from the hunter and is out of the "line of sight" of the hunter either by natural vegetation or terrain features. i understand this part as it keeps people from pouring a bag of corn behind a hay bale and claiming it is "out of sight".

    However......it can still be considered "baiting" if the authorities determine that the feed in the area is being used to draw deer by the hunter. Excuse me! I can put a corn feeder in the middle of a pine thicket 250 yards away from my stand and in a place that is only visible from a helicopter and it is still possible, even likely, that a deer could walk past me on the way to the feeder.

    Leaving a law up to that much "interpretation" is asinine.
     
  13. tahunua001

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    mag restrictions, caliber restrictions, day restrictions, weight restrictions, electronic parts bans...

    seriously, what fun is it if I can't go hunting with my 17 pounds 22LR on sunday with 25 round mag and heatseaking, rangefinding reflex sight?
     
  14. Jason_W

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    I've read that there have been multiple attempts to change it over the years and each time it failed based on arguments that made no real sense.
     
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    Personally, I don't hunt or fish on Sunday for religious reasons, but making it illegal to hunt on Sunday is one of the dumbest things I've heard in quite a while.

    Matt
     
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    Basically, they are saying,"You're going to get a ticket."
    It appears that baiting is still illegal if you do it but not illegal if you don't know it's there; or "We can write you up anytime we want."

    What's hard to figure about that?? ;)
     
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    In VA the minimum caliber for deer is .23 cal or above, which means no .223 :banghead:
     
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    I have used a 30-30 A.I. with trapper loads 113 cast bullet@1100 fps.
     
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    Or explained another way:
    Our Ohio lawmakers have deemed that we can use use straight walled .357 diameter or larger rounds to hunt deer with, we just can't have a shoulder stock on it to help us hit closer to where we're aiming.
     
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    I live in maine. I dont like the sunday hunting law, i dont see how its going to hurt anything. The crossbow law is on there because they think its shoots like a rifle. Because of the trigger and stock
     
  21. Jason_W

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    I'd never fight for allowing crossbows during the regular archery season (even though it can be argued that crossbows offer little advantage over modern compound bows). I know that one would be a non-starter.

    What has never made any sense to me is the fact crossbows are prohibited during the muzzleloader season when modern muzzle loaders offer superior ballistics to many metallic cartridge rounds.
     
  22. tahunua001

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    WHAT?
    so you are telling me that I am more likely to kill an elk at 200 yards with a 50 caliber muzzle loader than I am with a 300 weatherby mag?
    I'm sorry but that's preposterous.

    even if you drop in standard muzzle loader ranges I would much rather take a 416grain hollow point cast bullet from a 45/70 at 50 yards than I would a 425gr fired from a 54 caliber muzzle loader.
     
  23. Robbins290

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    I agree jason. I wouldnt vote to allow crossbows during archery season. I also think that you are allowed to hunt white tails with a 22 magnum. Which is a very poor choice.
     
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    I said many, not all. Scoped, modern, muzzleloaders firing a ballistic tipped projectile can break 2,000 f/s at the muzzle. Scoped, with the proper amount of powder, they are 200 yard deer guns.

    No, they're not going to beat a .270 in terms of trajectory, but they will shoot flatter than a 30/30 or 45/70 in many instances.

    That said, my post wasn't about rifle v. muzzleloader ballistics. It's about how it's asinine to allow what is essentially a really slow to reload modern rifle during muzzleloader season, but not a crossbow, which has a responsible range of 35-40 yards for big game.
     
  25. jrdolall

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    If you shoot a cross bow you will find that the effective range for ethical harvest is probably lower than that of most modern compound bows. It is easier to point and shoot but I don't feel any more comfortable shooting a crossbow at 50 yards than I do a regular bow. I use both during archery season because I am old and some morning my shoulders just won't let me shoot the compound. I am no more successful with the crossbow than with the compound and it has been legal here in Alabama for several years now. I haven't seen any figures but I would be surprised if the numbers taken during archery season have changed a bit since they began allowing crossbows for every hunter instead of just medical reasons.
     
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