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Fewer hunters take to the woods nationwide
Loss of license revenue worries wildlife agencies
Monday, September 3, 2007 3:25 AM
By David Crary

ASSOCIATED PRESS
Hunters remain a powerful force in American society, as evidenced by the presidential candidates who routinely pay them homage, but their ranks are shrinking dramatically and wildlife agencies worry about the loss of sorely needed license-fee revenue.

New figures from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service show that the number of hunters 16 or older declined by 10 percent between 1996 and 2006 -- from 14 million to about 12.5 million. The drop was most acute in New England, the Rocky Mountains and the Pacific states, which lost 400,000 hunters in that span.

The primary reasons, experts say, are the loss of hunting land to urbanization plus a perception by many families that they can't afford the time or costs that hunting entails.

"To recruit new hunters, it takes hunting families," said Gregg Patterson of Ducks Unlimited. "I was introduced to it by my father, he was introduced to it by his father. When you have boys and girls without a hunter in the household, it's tough to give them the experience."

Some animal-welfare activists welcome the trend, noting that it coincides with a 13 percent increase in wildlife watching since 1996. But hunters and state wildlife agencies, as they prepare for the fall hunting season, say the drop is worrisome.

"It's hunters who are the most willing to give their own dollar for wildlife conservation," Patterson said.

Compounding the problem, the number of Americans who fish also has dropped sharply -- down 15 percent, from 35.2 million in 1996 to 30 million in 2006, according to the latest version of a survey that the Fish and Wildlife Service conducts every five years.

Most of the 50 state wildlife agencies rely on hunting and fishing license fees for the bulk of their revenue, and only a handful receive significant infusions from their state's general fund.

In New Hampshire, only multiple fee increases -- which produced numerous complaints -- have enabled the Fish and Game Department to keep revenues robust. Its list of registered hunters has dropped from 83,292 in 1996 to 61,076 last year, said department spokeswoman Judy Stokes.

"We hear concerns about land access," Stokes said. "People grew up hunting -- you went out with your family, your uncle. And now you go back, and there's a shopping plaza or a housing development. Some of your favorite places just aren't available anymore."

National hunting expert Mark Damian Duda, executive director of the Virginia-based research firm Responsive Management, says America's increasingly urban and suburban culture makes it less friendly toward the pastime.

"You don't just get up and go hunting one day -- your father or father-type figure has to have hunted," Duda said. "In a rural environment, where your friends and family hunt, you feel comfortable with guns, you feel comfortable with killing an animal."

Indeed, hunting remains vibrant in many rural states -- 19 percent of residents 16 or older hunted last year in Montana and 17 percent in North Dakota, compared with 1 percent in California, Connecticut, Massachusetts and New Jersey. Nationally, 5 percent of the 16-or-older population hunted in 2006, down from 7 percent in 1996.

As their ranks dwindle, hunters are far from unified. The often big-spending, wide-traveling trophy hunters of Safari Club International, for example, have different priorities from duck hunters frequenting close-to-home wetlands.

One rift involves hunters disenchanted with the National Rifle Association, which runs major hunting programs and lobbies vigorously against gun control. A Maryland hunter, Ray Schoenke, has formed a new group, the American Hunters and Shooters Association, primarily as a home for hunters who would support some restrictions on gun and ammunition sales.

"The NRA's extreme positions have hurt the hunting movement," Schoenke said. "Soccer moms now believe hunters have made things more dangerous."

Political support for hunting remains strong.

Last month, President Bush ordered all federal agencies that manage public lands to look for more room for hunting.

Public support for hunting also is high, in part because huge deer populations have become a nuisance in many areas. Duda's surveys indicate less than 25 percent of Americans oppose hunting, although groups such as People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals denounce it as cruel.

The Humane Society welcomed the new federal data showing a surging number of birdwatchers, wildlife photographers and other wildlife watchers. They increased from 62.8 million in 1996 to 71.1 million in 2006, spending $45 billion on their activities compared with $75 billion spent by hunters and anglers.

"The American attitude regarding wildlife is changing," said Andrew Page of the society. "I suspect the day will come when a presidential candidate goes to a local humane society to adopt a homeless animal, rather than go the field and pose as hunter with a gun."
 
One thing that hurts hunting and potential new hunters where I hunt is the equipment cost. There's this mythos that's evolved around hunting from outdoors programs and from what people see around them and on the web that you somehow need all this stuff to go hunting successfully.

Most guys relate to me that they don't have the budget for a 4 wheeler, and feeders, and a nice rifle, and a tree stand, and 20 pieces of clothing including all this scent lock stuff. They see a massive potential investment that is daunting. And, for all that money spent, they could come back empty handed for years.

Hunting is choking to death on its own commercialization and relative success.
 
If you look at the way hunting is marketed now, people think it costs a ton. And since all land is private in Texas, and the hunter is a cash crop to the landowner, it is expensive. Most people I know just gave up, and have their kids obsessivly chasing sports on some select team.
 
I agree completely.

I can't stand hunting shows. My father watches them now and then, and from what I catch it looks like a giant commercial.

I grew up with a rifle and woods. That's all you stinkin' need. I hate camo. I hate scent sprays. I hate special "supreme hunting" ammo put out by ammo companies. I really, really hate the "pay 2 grand, sit on a stand, watch 600 deer come out when the feeders go off, and pick out the biggest 16 point you can find" kind of hunting.

where I hunt, an 8 point is huge and I would be lucky to take one. I'm completely fine with that. Besides, I don't hunt for trophies.
 
Too many reasons to name...

Cost and access to quality land are two of the biggest reasons the hunting population is down. I am on a deer lease for the first time in over 12 years. I have hunted public land during the last few years and I can tell you that it is very frustrating to go into the woods time after time and not see anything or only see a doe or two. I enjoy being in the woods and seeing everything from Squirrels, rabbits, coyotes and other critters occasionally but when you are there to deer hunt and you just never see a buck and the only thing you can legally shoot is a buck it gets very frustrating. Not only that but on more than one occasion it has just been too unsafe to hunt on public land here. I stopped hunting the first two weeks of the season which are the best opportunities to get a buck because it is too unsafe. I love to still hunt but to do so is simply too dangerous. For the hunting population to grow we need to have kids enjoy hunting and when they never see anything and never get the opportunity to shoot anything after a couple of hunts they are done and unless their parents have the money to get on a deer lease they simply will not see much on the public land in Texas, at least this is my experience. I am on a lease in W TX and the cost is $1500. And that only pays for me to hunt. A father with a son or two the cost is simply too overwhelming. Only the very well off can afford it. If we as hunters are going to leave a hunting legacy to those of the younger generations we need to be able to provide them with good and safe opportunities to hunt. And when they are in the field they need to see some deer or whatever game they are hunting. We also need to stop the poaching and the only way to do this is to put a lot more Game Wardens in the field to stop it. I could go on about this but.....
 
If you look at the way hunting is marketed now, people think it costs a ton. And since all land is private in Texas, and the hunter is a cash crop to the landowner, it is expensive. Most people I know just gave up, and have their kids obsessivly chasing sports on some select team.

Yup, spot on there. If I didn't have land, I'd just duck hunt, the only thing I can do down here for cheap. Oh, there's some affordable hog hunting around. I'd probably do that from time to time, but don't need to with my own land. I bought in the nick of time, too. Land prices are going out the roof, at least down here. I own friggin' salt grass marsh, at least when it's wet, and they are taxing me at 3K and acre! I protested it, might as well stand back and run head first into a brick wall. No arguing with the tax man. If I could afford to fence it, I'd put a goat on it and try for an ag exemption. :rolleyes:

All this just to hunt deer and hogs. Most people jst don't care enough about hunting to go to these lengths. The land WAS a good investment, though. :D
 
I would love to Hunt here in Houston, but I need $2k to get on a decent deer lease. Mcgunner knows exactly what I am talking about as we are somewhat neighbors.


Decent day hog hunting, but when its said and done, there isnt really any cheap hunting in Texas.
 
Have

hunted only once, sat in the dawn woods ro 4 hrs freezing while deer were having tea and crumpets else where.
But have 70 acres in VT with deer, beasr and turkey.
Happy to host.
 
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Since moving to TX, I've been shocked - and a little angered - by the lack of accessible land. Sure, I can go pay $2K for a whitetail day lease, but really? C'mon. Some land owners even charge you to hunt hogs - and they're a pest!

I don't want a guide. I don't want a lodge. I don't want you to feed me. I just want land to hunt on. But as long as people are willing to pay $2K/hunt, the landowners are going to enjoy the spoils. I can't blame them, but it is frustrating. I'd even be happy to pay something for access to private land (I don't expect handouts), but not at the prices I've seen advertised. Luckily I'll be moving elsewhere before long. I love living here, but I miss hunting anything more than hogs.
 
One rift involves hunters disenchanted with the National Rifle Association, which runs major hunting programs and lobbies vigorously against gun control. A Maryland hunter, Ray Schoenke, has formed a new group, the American Hunters and Shooters Association, primarily as a home for hunters who would support some restrictions on gun and ammunition sales.

"The NRA's extreme positions have hurt the hunting movement," Schoenke said. "Soccer moms now believe hunters have made things more dangerous."

Schoenke is just another anti-gun person parading as a hunter. It is because of people like him that it is difficult to buy firearms in Maryland.

License sales are decreasing for a lot of reasons. In Pennsylvania for example, many hunters believe the whitetail population has been shot off and mis-managed by the state. (I disagree.)

License fees are increasing just like everything else. Gone are the days of a $15 license that includes deer hunting, turkey hunting etc. I have to spend about $100 a year for both a hunting and fishing license in my state.

Cost or preceived cost is a huge factor and I don't think folks believe they have to have an ATV before they go out and hunt. The primary cost is the money that is required for access to private land these days. I spoke to one substantial land owner and he quoted me $1000 per year. That is way more than I can afford. That wasn't in Texas either where I didn't hunt at all because of the cost when I lived there.

Finding a place to hunt is difficult even if you pay for it. By place I mean private property that will allow you on it.

Gasoline prices are affecting how much you hunt.

Tics affect how much people hunt.

The propondernce of "gun clubs" or leasing of major land units and it being exclusive. Members are frequently not very friendly to people they consider outsiders.

Lack of accessible public lands.

Lack of mentors and a more urban population.

A more feminized population.

Just a few reasons that I can think of at the moment.
 
The article must have been written by a "Fudd"......anti-gun slant and cherry picked statistics. Written about a year ago by Associated Press, no friend of gun owners or hunters.

No where does it talk about state DNR's jabbing non-residents for overpriced licenses. When western tags run $300-$650 per animal, it's pretty hard to take the family hunting. Add to it the fact that many states conduct draws and preference points that make it a crap shoot to get a license.

When a retail business is looking for new customers, they offer lower prices and incentives....unfortunately governmental agencies have no clue when it comes to marketing.
 
Hunting is still strong in my area, some families are unfortunate enough to hunt everything they eat. Deer have become pests, destroying people's gardens and such. Its not abnormal for me to drive 15 miles and count 40+ deer standing alongside the road. Needless to say, quite a few hunters choose that routine with a .22 to the temple.
My grandfather introduced me to hunting when I was 5. Although I didn't take my first deer until 12 or so, I learned about how to respect the land and the animals that inhabit it. Hunting is not a sport to me, its a lifestyle and a heritage that needs to be passed on from generation to generation. And screw theses hunting camps, I want to walk in a feild, freeze my butt off in the rain and shoot the scrawniest doe I can.
But its worth every second of it cause I know how my grandpa smiles when I drag her over the hill...
 
I agree with Deer Hunter 100%
it seems that money has ruined hunting altogether. Used to be, you could step out our back door and hunt anywhere you wanted, now that's all changed.

p.s. Alaska is cold and dark. nothing going on here
 
i went to visit my bro in San Antonio and luckily since moving there he has met friends who hunt who know guys so we drove an hour, i use da borrowed rifle and sat in a blind for 8 hours. so no pigs. saw deer and cows and horses, but no pigs. lucky for me it was only the cost of the non resident 3 day license and the airfare but i was going to visit them anyway.

here in PRK, its a big production. there is little fruitful public land for birds and deer and landowners with pigs know they can charge 500+ for a pig hunt.

i have been lucky enough to be invited on some hunts on private land and its awkward to re-invite yourself over and over... i can see how people would just say F- it and sell their gear or just shoot paper at the range and tehn not gett their kids involved.

regarding scent lock and other fancy gear, my grampa and his buddies only neded their wool overcoat and some less than fancy leather boots and they seemed to do just fine.
 
Private land in Sothern MD for hunters is almost nonexistent anymore. We have 2 no-firearm counties now. No one wants hunters with guns on their property but "dammit, who's going to kill off all the deer that are eating my azaleas?":fire: Last time I heard someone say that, I told them to allow hunters on their property or get in their BMW and go mow a few of them down.

The only bright point is MD has what I consider quite a few public hunting areas, but of course they are over hunted, but at least the opportunity is there.
 
Hunters in places like MD could change their situaion if they really wanted to. They need to get the State Game Dept. interested in expanding hunting opportunities - and there is a way to do that.

Two years with ALL of MD's hunters either not hunting or going out of state for all their hunting will have a lot of MD government types anxious to do something significant for hunters.

The deer population - unhunted for two years - will be a tremendous headache for everyone... farmers, motorists, gardeners, health officials, government officials - and they will all be griping at the legislators.

Two years without income from the sale of licenses etc. will have the *itches that run the Game Dept. shrieking their bloody heads off. Of course every last word they say will be their usual bare-faced lie but it will be fun to watch.

Two years with no sales of hunting gear will have another crowd of people crying their eyes out.... and some going out of business.

Two years of seeing donations to groups like the NRA, DU, QU, etc. disappear (simply made to chapters in nearby states like PA). will bring on another chorus of howls.

Two years of pulling your kids out of any activity that aids the schools - and telling the school why - will have an impact too.

Two years of telling your employer they can stick their United Way Day and the Blood Drives where the sun don't shine - and why, will have the legislators phones ringing too.

The hunters in dirtholes like MD need to stop begging their State and start PUNISHING their State. They are already living proof that begging doesn't work. Why be thankful for crumbs thrown your way when you could easily get a much larger slice of the pie if you just wise up enough to realize that your Game Dept. is populated with "huggers" and they are NOT your friends? You are still We, the People, no matter how hard the Game Dept. and newspapers try to make you forget that. And All Politics are still Local.

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p.s. Alaska is cold and dark. nothing going on here

Well, there's hunting and fishing going on there. :D And, it's 100 degrees here today. I sorta like cold weather. LOL! Cost of living up there is a bit much and I watched some of that "tougher in Alaska" last night. I'm not real sure I'm tough enough. :D

There really is a conspiracy against hunting that pervades the liberal media an emanates from such animal rights groups as PETA and the humane society. More and more, animals have more rights than humans in our increasingly urban and feminine society. Like it or not, as the head wuss, Kinky Freedman, said when he was running for Texas governor, we are "wussified". Now, Kinky has room to talk, friggin' PETA lover, but I do think we need to "de-wussify" America. I figure it's too late, though. We're doomed. It's just a matter of time. Things are working too much against us, urbanization, over-population, increasing populations living in artificial environments and the liberal bent of the country and especially the media. I'll HAVE to escape to somewhere like Alaska, I'm afraid, if I want to keep hunting. Actually, Texas is one of the few hold outs, politically similar to a place like Alaska, more rural/conservative. But, we are over-populated in the eastern half of our state and becoming more and more urban. I can't stand going to Houston or Austin or SA anymore, makes me wanna puke. I'd move out west with Art except I'd miss my duck hunting and fishing.
 
I don't want to get way off topic by veering into the issue of money, itsownself, but insofar as costs are a factor, note that everything else costs a helluva lot more.

Back when Texas land cost well under $1,000 an acre, and hunting leases were down around $0.25 to $0.50 an acre or so, a brand new car cost around $3,000.

Priced bread and millk, lately?

Separately, what these birders are spending money on does not include habitat and species protection. A lot of them don't seem to realize they're riding on the backs of our billfolds.
 
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