hunting with 50 bmg

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Like Internet hunting... Who thinks up these "GOOD" ideas?
What will be the next big thing? using 105mm on Mountain goats.
Of course I grew up in Mississippi where it was common to fill the freezer with catfish by using single shot 12 gauge. It was easier than using my uncle old telephone to "Ring the fish up".
 
A group of friends and I are making arrangements for a range/hunting place right now, it will be a cleared 1000x50yd area in between two huge tracks of commercial timberland (we are cutting out ~9 acres in one large strip as part of a real estate deal. Will probably bring the 50 BMG out, stay in our shed and have long cleared placed to shoot. 50 BMG rocks over 338lapua, its the "bigger hammer" and I buy 750amax rounds for $4.50 to my door and M33 ball and API usually for under $3 a round. When/if I start reloading it will be much cheaper.
 
Id be more worried about being the guy whos less than 100 yds from that deer that the lunatic is taking aim at from 500-1000 yds away. Being in the woods out of his sight minding my own business, and a .50 BMG comes sailing right at you (and the excuse would hold true, "I didnt see him officer").
But to each their own, if you hit what you werent supposed to in the process, you are responsible 100% for what that shot does.
 
Being in the woods out of his sight minding my own business, and a .50 BMG comes sailing right at you (and the excuse would hold true, "I didnt see him officer").

Being in the woods out of his sight minding my own business, and a [.30-06, 338 Win Mag, 375 H&H, .223 Rem, .22 Hornet] comes sailing right at you (and the excuse would hold true, "I didnt see him officer").


A stupid hunter with any gun is dangerous. A safe hunter with any gun is safe. Let's not borrow from the Brady handbook and blame the tools rather than the operator.
 
Yeah, ya'll are right...

Brady and the VPC could be really proud of this thread. Not so much because of the topic being discussed as much as the fact that it makes it blatantly obvious that many of you are as misguided and short-sighted as they are.

There is no finite, universal maximum range to define how ethical a shot on a game animal is. Every hunter has an individual maximum range that they need to be aware of before going into the field. This number isn't an arbitrary number applied to everyone. Know your limits, and please, stop applying them to everyone else. Maximum range for an ethical kill depends on the skill of the hunter, the environmental conditions, the accuracy of the rifle and ammunition, the quality of the optics, the position and activity of the game animal, and the construction of the bullet with regard to terminal effect in tissue.

I do as much shooting with a rifle as I can, all year long. While it isn't as much as I would like it to be, I'd shoot all day every day if I could afford it, I have been shooting my entire life. You don't do something you care about your entire life without developing some sort of proficiency in it. I know I can kill quickly and humanely at 500 yards with my bolt action 7 Mag. I've never shot a living creature at the this range, despite the hundreds of rounds of practice I have put into preparing myself to do so. I did have optics on a muley buck at a lased 450 yards last year. Proned and slung up behind my rifle, I had complete confidence in my ability to place that 160 gr Accubond where it needed to be. I didn't shoot. Why? Because the animal never stopped moving, and never presented a good broadside shot. And because, with a muzzle velocity of 2960 fps, that round has dropped very close to the velocity threshold of about 2000 fps it needs to reliably expand at that range. On the same token, there are several rifles in this family, including an AR-50, that if loaded correctly, could be used effectively out to a 1000 yards and beyond, provided the shooter does his part. All of us acknowledge our limitations, and none of us have attempted such a feat. But my dad didn't build a custom .338 RUM with a 30 inch Lilja on it so he could shoot whitetail at 50 yards. I think pushing 250 gr Nosler Accubonds at 3100+ fps is more inline with his original plan, which was an across canyon elk buster.

The point is that a halfway competent rifleman should be able to easily get 300 yards with a scoped rifle. The quality of rifles, optics, and ammunition has never been better. Sporter rifles that shoot MOA or better right out of the box with hunting ammunition is not unheard of these days. So the main contributing factor is the skill of the shooter. Not all of us are created equal in this regard. I know my personal limits. I seek to extend them through practice, but I avoid the urge to apply these limits to everyone else. Many of you should do the same.

Stand hunting is no more or less ethical than any other sort of hunting. And it is both wrong and incredibly arrogant to assume that stand hunters are slop hunters with little or no regard for legality, ethics, or firearms safety. There are bad apples in every group. Our family has done both for a long time, but as my dad and grandpa age, they are no longer able to hike the hills with my brother and I. They find themselves posting up and glassing ridgelines and clear cuts more and more, and my dad has built a rifle to accommodate this style of hunting.

And some of you have obviously been paying a little too much attention to Brady and the VPC...enough that this thread makes me question your common sense, logic, and allegiances. The .50 BMG is just a rifle. It's a big rifle, but a rifle nonetheless. It is not subject to any dark, mysterious forces that don't apply to other rifles. This isn't voodoo magic or rocket science. You should be aware of your target and beyond regardless of the ranges you shoot or the caliber of your rifle. If you're not, you have no business questioning the professionalism or ethics of anyone else.

The same laws of physics apply to the .50 BMG, as do the same hunting regulations, the same firearms safety rules, and the same personal limitations. If you know and abide by these rules and limitations, hunting with a .50 is no more or less dangerous than hunting with anything else. If you don't, you have no business being in the woods with anything.
 
I always thought the 14.5mm Russian would be the ideal long range (read target shooting) cartridge

You are definitely right, the 14.5mm Russian is THE round to have, fast, flat and hits hard.

I heard someone was shooting one of these in long range a few years back...but because of restrictions of the sport, had to withdraw...?
 
MTM, I don't think many here are saying that a .50BMG is not capable of making a clean kill, or is somehow too powerful, just that it is not practical for most hunting use due to the problems inherent in such a large caliber weapon (primarily weight and size, also unnecessary cost of said firearm and ammunition). This may not apply to all hunters, but it is generally the case. I have always thought that the maximum hunting range is mostly dependent upon the rifleman.
I heard someone was shooting one of these in long range a few years back...but because of restrictions of the sport, had to withdraw...?
Haven't thought about that, it would make a .50BMG look light, small, and of light recoil so I can see why it could be banned in competition...still an awesome legal caliber...besides you never know when you may have a Maximum Overdrive moment and need to fend off hungry semi trucks bound to destroy the world. :D
 
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I have a good idea what Brady and vpc can do....:evil:

Other than back-range consideration, I see nothing wrong with using LARGE caliber weaponry.

Roll back the clock, and some schmuck was probably saying that using the .54 caliber coal burner was totally unnecessary and the .36 was all that was ever needed....

I guess we should of kept the 30-40 Krag and dismissed the 30-06...way too much power.... carnage!
 
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The tread leads to a bigger question.
Should hunting be more than using animals for targets?
Should hunting become ICE FISHING?
Is sitting in a warm shooting shack lasering deer at 1100 yards and launching small caliber mortar rounds the type of hunt we want to pass on to the next generation?
 
It was easier than using my uncle old telephone to "Ring the fish up".

I han't thought of that in YEARS! I had an uncle who'd come and talk my father into going out to do that. He had the crank generator out of an old telephone and had rigged it with a big can capacitor. They had me crank the phone thing like crazy while my uncle rigged out an electric cord with contacts on each lead, using a sinker to take it to the bottom of a hole he knew in the lake. Then he'd close a little switch just once. In a little while a catfish would float to the top. It worked almost every time.

Dang, I'd completely forgotten about that because I was eight and that was more than fifty years ago.


Oh, yeah. BP hunters use .50 cal all the time, so what's the big deal? Little more velocity? :)
 
There is nothing wrong with hunting and shooting game with the 50 BMG cartridge. What is wrong is some of our thinking has been unduly influenced by the popular media. Original thoughts are a rarity.
 
I guess this is one of those deals that comes under the heading of "not my style". But, it doesn't seem to be causing any problems so it's hard for me to care about it, one way or the other. One of those "different strokes for different folks" things.
 
I just thought of another problem with using a .50BMG for hunting purposes...the weight...by this I don't mean the weight of hauling it around, but rather legal restrictions that some states put on hunting rifles. I don't know where you live, or even weight restriction laws for my neck of the woods (never has been nor can I see it becoming an issue), I am not even sure if NC has any, but I know that some states do. I think the weigh must be under about 15lbs IIRC. :)
 
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Oh, yeah. BP hunters use .50 cal all the time, so what's the big deal? Little more velocity?

And about 3 times the bullet weight.

Does anyone make a game cartridge/ sort point for the BMG? Isnt it mostly match FMJ? If so you'd have a serious over penetration problem to consider.
 
You can buy hunting rounds, Hunting Shack makes a soft point round. Not say that prevents overpentration, its a serious round. Its like any other round, know what is behind your target.
 
Note that there are some state regulations that preclude a .50 BMG, even though it isn't illegal to use the caliber for hunting.

E.g. in Idaho, for big game hunting, the rifle plus whatever is attached to it (scope, sling, bipod etc.) has to weigh 16 lbs. or less.

That's not true in many states, but definitely check. Most people in Idaho have never heard of the rule, in my experience. I just stumbled on it when reading up on what you need to use for muzzleloader season.
 
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New Mexico G&F reg's:
Legal Sporting ArmsCenterfire rifle or handgun of .24 caliber or larger; shotgun no smaller than 28 gauge, firing a single slug; bow and arrows; or a muzzleloading rifle no smaller than .45 caliber. Crossbows may only be used by certified Mobility-Impaired Hunters, see page 15.
 
E.g. in Idaho, for big game hunting, the rifle plus whatever is attached to it (scope, sling, bipod etc.) has to weigh 16 lbs. or less.
That is exactly the type of law that I was referring to...I haven't heard of a law precluding the use of .50BMG...but like you I just stumbled upon the aforementioned regulation, as it doesn't apply to most people and certainly not myself, so I am not really surprised. :)
 
What I'm not sure of is WHY.

What does Idaho care if you want to carry a 20 lb. rifle to hunt elk?

There are other restrictions that can be traced to safety concerns, etc. But why gun weight?
 
What does Idaho care if you want to carry a 20 lb. rifle to hunt elk?
It is for your own good...they don't want you to have back problems. :neener: P.S.: It is a stupid law...some .22lr rifles are 17+ lbs. :)
 
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