Hustler Magnate Larry Flynt Enters CA Governor's Race

[Justin]

So let me get this right. He supports a liberal interpretation of the First Amendment, sort of a "living Constitution" approach to something that the Founding Fathers almost certainly did not intend free speech to protect,

Pornography has been around since about 20 minutes after the development of written alphabets. If the second amendment covers Mak 90's and Thompson subguns, then the first covers the talkies and porno, regardless of how distasteful one finds it.

but at the same time rejects the Second Amendment interpretation that the FF expressly did support. Typical Hollyweird hypocrite.

Agreed.

 

[Cactus]

Originally posted by re1973:
From a source whom also was around LF.
He hates Klinton, ....

Not sure where you heard that, but Flint publically stated that he loves Bill Clintom. He publically offered anyone $1,000,000 for information to use against the Republican leaders of the effort to impeach Clinton. Hate Clinton? Hardly!

Larry Flint in California and Jerry Springer in Ohio! The true face of the modern Democrat Party.

 

[Jeff]

I find it ridiculous that anyone who cherishes the 2nd amendment would support this pig.

His website has links to The Nation (Socialist rag), the ACLU (anti-2nd amendment), and Michael Moore. The Yale Bulletin excerpt cited by Brian Maffei is the smoking gun, so to speak.

This guy is a total sleazebag and the fact that he doesn't hide it doesn't mean he should be considered for public office.

 

[Azrael256]

I find it ridiculous that anyone who cherishes the 2nd amendment would support this pig.

In any other state, I would agree, but I consider the PRK to be a total loss in that area, so the faster it goes down the proverbial toilet, the faster things change. That, and I think it would be absolutely hillarious if he were elected governor.

 

[sm]

Cactus
I never said I trusted that source or found it to reliable, just repeated what said. I never said I supported Larry either.

I do have some experience with Klinton having been AG then Gov here. I do know my feelings about 2A, and I really don't like and trust politicians. My rule of thumb, too much gov't in everything, too much meddlin. I always knew when Klinton was lying...when he opened his mouth and a sound came out.

Its a real mess all over, my state has problems, Kali has problems--heck some just as soon see ocean view property be available in Nevada...Didn't say I agree with that either...it has been said tho'.

Its a real pisser when no true representative of our Republic exist to perpetuate freedoms , and the lesser of evils still suck.

 

[brownie0486]

Larry has investigative reporters digging into quite a few sticky areas.

People running against him had better be squeeky clean, or they'll be exposed and the mud flung far and wide.

He's an open book, the candidates he faces never are. If they aren't careful, they'll end up having no political carreers if he starts on them.

Mucho resources.

Whats this? People don't like what he peddles here? All over this forum people scream for their rights and how their rights are violated at every turn by big brother.

Larry takes big brother on daily, face to face sorta speak. How many of us can say the same thing. He has sat in prisons for years over the last three decades to make a stand on his views and constitutional rights. He has furthered our rights [ the first anyway ] immensely at his own peril and personal freedoms.

Not many of us can say we have that same conviction now can we? Whens the last time anyone here did a day, let alone years in jail based on their beliefs and then taking it to the limit with the feds?

Thats what I thought, not one of us probably has ever come close to acting on our convictions like this guy.

Don't like smut? Don't have to buy the mags right? He's full speed ahead on the issues and extremely intelligent. It will be hard for the candidates to get by him and skirt the issues.

Very interesting

Brownie

 

[Stinger]

Nice try Brownie,

But nobody here said he didn't have the right to free speech. He has a right to his self proclaimed "smut," but others have the right to call it immoral, wrong, etc. We all have 1st Amendment rights, not just Flynt.

Stinger

 

[brownie0486]

One of the reasons you have the 1st rights you have is because of Flynt and his stand on the 1st which were tested in courts at his expense and freedom.

What try?, Trying what? I wasn't trying anything in the last post other than to state facts, which are indisputable as to the mans means and convictions documentable in district court records across the US and SCOTUS decisions.

He's probably done more to further others rights for others than we have for ourselves.

How he makes his living is irrelevant relative his character where rights are concerned or how he would perform as the gov there. Having worked for him, I can tell you he has other issues which should be questioned by the general public but as to his character, thats pretty much public record.

Brownie

 

[grassy knoll]

flynt is interesting to me

as much as i don't like the things he does, i fight for his right to do it

 

[rock jock]

Pornography has been around since about 20 minutes after the development of written alphabets.

Laughable. I guess technically you could include the written word as pornographic, but the common use refers to pictures and movies, both of which did not exist during the 18th century. Additionally, if you look at the writings of the FF concerning the 1st Amendment, you will not find anything that indicates they meant to cover material that was specifically intended to cause sexual titillation. The fact is that the 1st was intended to protect speech that was critical of the govt. One would be hard pressed to show how hard core porn is a political commentary. This is an outgrowth of the "living Constitution" philosophy which basically means you can change the original intent of the Constitution to say anything you want it to, which, is exactly why our 2A rights are continuously under attack.

 

[DigitalWarrior]

pornographic, but the common use refers to pictures and movies, both of which did not exist during the 18th century.

You are kidding, right? I am sure that the illustrated Kama Sutras were "art"!

One would be hard pressed to show how hard core porn is a political commentary.

One would be hard pressed to show how Assault Weapons , which did not exist during the 18th century are protected by the Bill of rights

My freedom ends where yours begins.

 

[rock jock]

One would be hard pressed to show how Assault Weapons , which did not exist during the 18th century are protected by the Bill of rights

For a member of a gun board, you demonstrate a profound ignorance of the 2A. Look at the wording of the 2A, and the writings of the FF. Militia weapons of the individual soldier are specifically intended to be covered. Today, this would include AK's. If the intent is not clear, as you suggest, then we too are committing to a "living Constitution" and have no reasonable basis for expecting to keep anything other than smoothbore blackpowder rifles.

You are kidding, right? I am sure that the illustrated Kama Sutras were "art"!

Art, maybe. Porno, probably. Political commentary, no.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

One of the reasons you have the 1st rights you have is because of Flynt and his stand on the 1st which were tested in courts at his expense and freedom.

I don't know about where you think your rights come from, but mine exist irrespective of Mr.Flynt et al..

My rights are endowed to me by virtue of being a sentient, and separate, entity from all of the other sentient beings of which I am aware.

The idea that Larry Flynt did anything, anytime, anywhere, that did not involve merely the furtherance of his agenda, is so far beyond laughable as to be absurd.

 

[Zedicus]

Yep, that clenches it, Callifornia Is DEFINITLY the Funny Farm of the USA....

 

[Stinger]

Yep, that clenches it, Callifornia Is DEFINITLY the Funny Farm of the USA....

Zedicus,

That is something that we can ALL agree on.

Stinger

 

[brownie0486]

Duncan Idaho:

There are times in every mans life when he may inadvertantly do something for himself that benefits us all.

Whether the furtherance of his agenda helped all Americans is indisputable, as much as you would like to think not perhaps. Read the court docs someday, very few of us get the chance or have the resources to test the constitutionality of our beliefs, he did, he won, and the rest is history.

His agenda has no bearing on the SCOTUS decisions made and precedence set by his actions which we all live with.

Ya, he helped set the standard in a landmark case which had profound implications for all of us.

Brownie

 

[fallingblock]

But...Flynt is unquestionably anti-gun...

and it is not in the interest of freedom-loving Americans to have a self-proclaimed anti-gun bigot as governor of California (see recent history).

That said, I think he would be a nightmare for the typical poiltician to run against.

Imagine the entertainment potential of a debate between Arnie and Larry

 

[AZTOY]

Imagine the entertainment potential of a debate between Arnie and Larry

I would love to see that

 

[Jeff]

I still fail to see where Larry Flynt has done anything to improve or "further" any rights that I might possess at the moment.

Exactly what would I have been unable to do had Larry Flynt not so "courageously" stood up against the Supreme Court?

Anyways, as far as the differences are concerned between the initial intentions of the 1st and 2nd Amendments and how they apply to modern America, the framers found it perfectly acceptable to engrave and emboss Biblical references and the Ten Commandments into Government buildings, memorials, and other landmarks because they identified and observed a higher moral code than what could be ordained by man and mere common law.

I strongly doubt the consistency of Larry Flynt's brand of pornography with the observation of these moral ideals, the ancient Kama Sutra notwithstanding.

The main philosophical problem in comparing extreme pornographic material, as it applies to the 1st, with extreme personal firepower, as it applies to the 2nd, is that all controversy assigned to pornography concerns the issues of its very existence; i.e. pornography is wrong because it degrades and exploits those who partake in it-- both participants and viewers. But the controversy with firearms deals only with their abuse and misuse. There has to be the fear, the assumption, that guns are going to be used in the hands of deviance or evil, and outside the bounds of intended use.

Pornography's intended use is its abuse, so it goes.

Pornography is a difficult moral Rubik's Cube. I'm not sure I agree with the above statements that many anti-porn people seem to profess, but it must be made aware that there is a very stark and important difference between the extremes of the 1st and 2nd amendments, and that these examples-- often cited together to bolster a particular political view-- are not on the same moral or philosophical footing.

And there is a huge difference between art and pornography. But that is another story.

 

[4570Rick]

Argue morality all you want.

He's anti-gun.

Heard a sound bite on the radio today. Not sure if it was intended as a joke, but it was about offering porn for guns.

 

[gunsmith]

Someone should tell Larry Flynt

Someone should tell Larry Flynt
that it wasn't the Republicans (Pro Gun Repubs at least) who had him shot.
He was hanging out with Jimmy Carters sister
Thats what got him shot,he thinks that it's
the Moral Majority(GOP).
it was the leftwing anti porn Dems,you can tell cause they
were such poor shots.
There is this nutty group called "Women against Porn"
they are real scary 5150 nazis who
love to kill men,I wouldn't be surprised if it was them

 

[MicroBalrog]

it degrades and exploits those who partake in it

Quite a few of them don't think so. They might be sick, but that is their POV.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

There are times in every mans life when he may inadvertantly do something for himself that benefits us all.

So what? Let's say you are right, and that he did somehow "benefit us all". Which you carefully avoid elucidating on I might add.

Even if I were to stipulate that there was some benefit to what he did, again, so what?

My first duty to myself, my loved ones, and even my country, is to stand ready to save my life, and the innocent lives of those around me. To be able to do that effectively in our modern age, I must have access to, and reasonable proficiency with, firearms. Something that your friend Mr. Flynt would (if only he could) debar me the use of. Unless of course I was part of the group of individuals charged with the duty of keeping his slathering, demented, Jabba the Hutt A$$ alive. Mr. Flynt knows all too well that all of one's rights evaporate at the cessation of one's existence.

So you see, that is the source of my contempt for Mr. Flynt. Whatever you claim that he may have accomplished in the courts - vis-a-vis the 1st Amendment - he did in furtherance of his own agenda. He did it simply to eliminate some barriers in his way. Nothing more.

When it comes to the 2nd Amendment, he is very careful to limit his position to benefit only himself. He works in direct opposition to the type of rights affirming activism that you are trying to ascribe to him.

He hired you as part of his security detail. I strongly suspect that he ensured that you were armed with something... shall we say...more effective than a duck gun, to protect him. Yes? But when it comes to me and mine, your friend Mr. Flynt would like to be assured that I most certainly do not have access to the same tools that you and he should (in his mind at least) have access to.

No. Mr. Flynt is no friend of mine. He may be a fun guy to be around in private. I don't know, nor do I care. In his public life, he has never struck me as more than a pathetic drooling wretch.

I think I will save my admiration for something other than your friend Mr. Flynt.

 

[brownie0486]

Duncan Idaho :

Can you not amire someone for their stand against the feds 24/7?

All around us on this forum we have otrhers speaking about standing up for ones rights against big brother and their injustices.

I doubt anyone here has taken on big brother and won battles agaisnt them in the courts like he has.

I never said I agreed with the mans lifestyle, just that I can respect a man so inclined to take on the powers that be and sustain his convictions to the point of doing time to make a point.

He may be anti-gun, I have no knowledge one way or the other. Of course we were armed, useless in protection details without them. He didn't further my arms carrying in Ca., I already had the tools and permits before being retained.

Not that I would vote for him, but the fact remains he did advance others 1st right across the board. It would take too much room to expound here on his accomplishments relative the first amendment rights that were decided in his landmark case. Thats why I mentioned earlier to have a look at the court records, they stand on their own merit.

Brownie

 

[mjydrafter]

Wasn't the whole Larry Flynt-1st ammendment-thing beacuse of something about making fun of rev. Falwell? I was under the impression that it had nothing to do with the naked women in his magizine. I mean, obviously that's (the naked women) what got Falwell's dander up, but I thought the case was based on the satirical piece that Falwell had sex with his mother.

I wouldn't call Hustler porn, a step past Playboy maybe, but compared to some of what the internet has to offer, we are talking minor league stuff. I've always viewed Hustler as a "Mad Magazine" with naked women.

I think regardless of what you think of his personal character, he's a successfull businessman, and with a 38 million crisis, maybe that's what CA needs.