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Hello memberes of the reloading forum i have read some of the post and i have one small question ? I shoot 9mm 32 long for matches 22lr(you cant reload that! also for matches)44slp and 44mag . I live in switzerland and can only get hold of magthec and get this they go for 27$ for 50 9mm same price for the 32s and 60$ for 50 44 mag so i am shore i am going to save money even with the 9mm :Next question i have seen and heard horrer stories about reloading and guns exploading !!!i do not want to damage my guns sig 210 629 and my match 32s&w wad cutter!! and how easy is it to start i know some one who is selling a 550b +44,357,and 9mm dies for about 700£$ is this worth it ? I dont know what to look for whith wear and tear ??
 
I've been reloading for 55 years and have yet to create any sort of horror story. The primary thing is to not be in a hurry. Do one reloading step at a time. Only have the primers and powder for one cartridge out and available at any loading session.

"i know some one who is selling a 550b +44,357,and 9mm dies for about 700£$ is this worth it ? I dont know what to look for whith wear and tear ?"

Is that 700 Pounds Sterling? The Pound is $1.75 U.S., so that's about $1,525 U.S. That's way too high for here--but I don't know the import duties on reloading equipment, which would have affected the price for new items. I suggest checking the import duty and maybe contacting Dillon via their website.

AS far as wear and tear, the main thing is no rust and no scratches on the inside of the sizing dies. No messed-up threads.

Best luck,

Art
 
The 550b is a great machine in that you can load one round at at time while setting it up and learning what each die does,then load all the stations and proceed cuatiously to load a minimum of 100 rounds per hour.200 is easy,300 very do-able.More than that is asking for mistakes,especially from a beginner.
I would guesstimate the value at 350.00 or so, U.S.,do not know how it would be in your country.Dillon has a tape to show how to setup and run the machine.Very useful to have.
The machine should have a powder measure,2 sizes of powder bars and 2 sizes of primer slides,and a few primer tubes(large and small).
you will pay for the machine in no time by reloading pistol ammo.
You DO have to pay attention.I"ve never seen a gun blown up and I"ve been shooting for years.It CAN happen very easily.Pistols use very small amounts of powder and 2 or even 3 charges can fit in some cases.Just pay attention and you will do fine.
 
The price was about 700 Dollars us! Loading wad cutter i.e. the bullet being flat and flush, is this easyer or more difficult? 9mm the bullet is less easy to do than revolvers is this true and if so how much more complicated and time consuming is it?
 
Loading wad cutter i.e. the bullet being flat and flush, is this easyer or more difficult?
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I don't find it to be any easier or more difficult. It simply requires the proper adjustment of the dies.

9mm the bullet is less easy to do than revolvers is this true and if so how much more complicated and time consuming is it?
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With any automatic pistol the ammunition must feed from the magazine in addition to fitting the chamber. Although critical measurements must be observed, revolvers are, by design, more tolerant of variation.
On a single stage press the small size of the 9mm case is a pain. Most people here that work out the true cost find that buying 9mm ammunition cost less than reloading on a single stage press if time is accounted for. On a progressive press (like the Dillon you mention) the production is faster and the tiny cases are handled much less often. With such equipment, I can make competition worthy ammunition for what I might pay for commercial practice ammunition, even if my time is accounted for.

There is nothing terribly difficult in reloading, you must only be attentive to your work and procede with due care.


David
 
Thanks for the replies i have one or to more small questions! can i start with only one powder or do different loads and calibers need diferent powders ? s&w and glock do not recomend hand loading with there guns!!! Why??? s&w are supposed to be less strong than other makes e.g. ruger freedom arms dan wesson but i am still o.k. reloading from a tables in a recharging manual do the manuals clearly say when a round has become a "hot round" and to much presher for my smith or other guns that i realy do not want to damage i would like to stick to factory loads and may be a bit under for the 44 this i have read does not seem to be a problem!As for brass at the moment i buy all my rounds but i pick up all my shells so i should already save adleast a little the more i think about it the more i think reloading will help me to be able to shoot a lot more with less money with rounds i can talor for me my guns and know that i have done the work.
 
Swiss 210, hunt around the Internet for the websites of the various suppliers of reloading equipment and components. Many of them publish reloading manuals which will answer many of your questions. Each powder maker will show loads for his brand; most of us have several different manuals. The book from Hodgdon is excellent Manuals are also available from bullet makers such as Speer and Sierra.

I'm primarily a rifleman, so I prefer the Sierra book. Its tables on exterior ballistics are superior to others I've seen. The data is of less interest to one who primarily shoots handguns.

Art
 
swiss 210 - 700 of any common European currency is too much to pay for a basic 550B with one die set. You should be able to do much better than that if you order new from Dillon including shipping. So you should be able to do even better than that in the used market.

If the price was USD as you said, run don't walk from that "deal".
 
swiss. almost all powder manufacturers will send you manuals free. Start with one powder, and start your experimenting there - I started with Accurate Arms #2, and recently branched out to Accurate #5, both excellent in 9mm. Play with some different bullet weights, and cases. Sort your fired cases by headstamp, as different manufacturers will make thier cases just slightly different, and it can be a big difference in how you reloads perform.
 
I was talking us dollars so in swiss francs that makes about 1000 swiss it comes withabout i think 4 or 5different dies i can not remember at the moment i will go and see the prices at dillons site but if i remember the shipping costs an arm and a leg.No one spoke about gun damage i supose that is becose its ok?? As sugested i will start with one powder and see from there i can do all calibers with the same right ?
 
AA5 is a good powder to start with. Winchester 231 is another. Don't know what is available over there. Use the internet resources to get the loading data. Used Dillon 550's are available on eBay at much less than $700 with lots of extras. If you follow the directions and recommendations in the relaoding manuals and data, your guns will be safe. I usually start with a lower, starting charge and work up. Just be careful as you work.
 
"...seen and heard horror stories about reloading and guns exploding..." Hi. The only time bad things happen with reloads is when it isn't done properly. Like some guys who think the maximum load in a manual isn't really the maximum. Or the guy who doesn't use a manual.
"...No one spoke about gun damage..." Read and follow your loading manual religiously and you'll be fine.
"...s&w and glock do not recomend hand loading..." American liability suits. Some people will try to blame the firearm maker for their own stupidity and sue when they screw up. Defending against a stupid law suit still costs money, so a lot of manufacturers say don't use handloads. It's a CYA(Cover Your A**) thing. Don't have a Glock, but before I sold the S&W M19 I had, I used nothing but handloads in it with no fuss. And I load for all my firearms. Couldn't afford to shoot otherwise. Handloading gives you better ammo too. Your scores with the .32 will go up once you work up a load for your pistol. Which pistol is it? The .32. All of the best target shooters I know use it.
"...do the manuals clearly say when a round has become a "hot round"..." Sort of. A manual gives you a starting load and a maximum load for each calibre and bullet, the velocity for each and sometimes they give the pressure, but not always. All of which have been rigorously tested by ballistics engineers.
$700US for the press and 4 or 5 die sets is $856.37 Canadian. I'd be on that like ants on honey.
"...I can do all calibers with the same right..." Nope. Two as a minimum. IMR4227 for the .44's and Bullseye for the rest. Assuming you can get these powders. Talk to the guys you shoot with and the guy that has the press for sale too. Shooters everywhere love to help a new guy.
Oh and please don't hesitate to ask any questions you may have here.
 
hi swiss , I have been reloading ammo for my 686-1 S&W for the last five years and not a single problem, It actually shoots better with the reloads than with the factory stuff , I use several different powders and bullet types and weights , as for the exploding gun problem , it usssually caused by loaders error , in other words someone getting careless in there reloading proceduresand practices , when I taught all my freinds how to reload I stressed the importance of paying attention and having no distractions while reloading , so far no problems to date . as for reloading "recipes" the powder manufactors give out litature , and you can buy manuals from bullet manufactorers , I have many and allways am updating . good luck and welcome to the club . :cool:
 
Thanks for all the info i have got to go and see the press next week with the price i mentioned it comes with about everything the guy that had it has stopped reloading put it all in boxes and thats it hes been tring to sell it for some time now i think there are even shells bullets .I will make a list and tell you whats in the package i think there is even powder but its shorly old !!??As for the 32 long i use i am in europe its a unique des 32u.it shoots realy well its easy to hit a bullseye 20 cm at 50m . Again thanks for your help everyone!! :D Wow i wish 9mm was as cheep here as you get it i get it for 30 us dollers for 50 :banghead: :banghead:
 
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