I am not a NAZI

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This thread is in reponse for this one http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16344

I started that thread saying that I DO NOT HAVE NOTHING AGAINST ISRAEL! However I was insulted. How I could be an Israel's hater if I have JEWISH blood in my veins. My great grandfather was a SEPHARDI JEW that came from Spain to Puerto Rico in the late 1870's. My family don't know much about him, we only know that he was JEW.

The biggets insult for me was when hansolo mentioned that he looked at my bio and felt sorry for my students after finding out I am a teacher. I've been only teaching for 7 years and I invite him and others to visit my office, school or my house to see all the awards and prizes that students and I have won in my short teaching career because they are among the best in the school distric.

Now I know that in this forum if you don't preach to the choir you are doomed. Please, make yourselves a favor and open your eyes, don't be narrow minded and use your critical thinking skills.
 
I saw it as factual also.
Ya gotta be careful posting the facts around here, it upsets the natives to be confronted with facts, logic, reasoning and/or rational discourse.

I am not anti-semitic, far from it, I am anti-stupid people, which has severely limited the pool from which I can socially interact. :D
 
Now I know that in this forum if you don't preach to the choir you are doomed. Please, make yourselves a favor and open your eyes, don't be narrow minded and use your critical thinking skills
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I sympathise with you. It is sometimes hard to discuss anything here in depth as some of the posters, indeed some of the moderators (not Law Dog) confuse critical thinking with prejudiced thinking. Some of them are especially resistant to any in depth discussion of history, patterns, trends or anything more abstract of an idea than "fire hot, water cold". And heaven forbid you try to explain anything which goes against popular prejudice. :scrutiny:

In Law Dog's words:
I have never, in all my born days, come across anybody as bloody bull-headed and iron-assed as this group.
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Law Dog, if you read this, you might consider asking Oleg to allow people who start threads to delete off topic posts from their threads. This might make your job easier and cut down on the ad hominum insults. :cool:
 
Discussions of historical events and activities are easy to hold, as long as one comes in with an open mind, a willingness to discuss and interpret historical events in a calm, logical manner (instead of simply making statements designed to inflame), and don't attempt to launch a "discussion" using a premise that's thinly veiled as an incitation.

For example, a good topic of discussion would be...

Let's discuss Jewish life in Nazi Germany.

But, a bad discussion topic would be...

Let's talk about how the Jews are themselves responsible for the holocaust...
 
yucapote:

Just looked at that thread.

Lemme get this straight:

You start off by saying "Iraq was invaded becasue Saddam violated about a dozen UN resolutions. I have nothing against Israel, but this is outrageous. "

You post a (long) list of UN violations that Israel has violated.

Then, a couple, ahem, The *HIGH* Road members call you all manner of names.

Did I miss something?

Methinks someone needs to learn how to read AND GROW UP, and it AIN'T you, yucapote.... :scrutiny:
 
I hope not

Because if you are a Nazi, then I probably am also, and my Jewish parents would hate to hear that.

I didn't read you post originally, but like to think I got your point. It is pretty lame to hear people making up all these excuses for why we went to war with Iraq. I for one wish we had just came out and used the Texas excuse of 'Some Folks Just Need Killin.' But instead we tried to keep people happy.

And NOW, there are counties in the UN trying to get the US officially condemned. And it looks like it might pass!!! :fire: :fire:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/31/un.arabs/index.html

What a world. I for one understand why Isreal has ignored the UN resolutions, and I am glad to see us heading down the same road.

It is sad that Isreal has to treat all Palistinians with the same heavy hand, but life there is so different from the way it is here, I can't judge them for their actions.

Sorry some folks have to jumo to conclusions and get what could have been a thought provoking thread shut down.

:barf:

Greg
 
You know, pardon me if I'm wrong, and I'm going to deflect this discussion just a little bit, but the entire ramp-up to war with Iraq was predicated on Iraq's continued violation of UN resolutions.

Collin Powell and George Bush both addressed the UN on the subject of Iraq's "material breech" of UN resolutions stemming from the first Gulf War.

Violation of resolutions over disarmament was continually stressed by the President and his advisors as a justification for the war.

It's only within the past few weeks that I've heard anyone from the Administration give any real time to the concept of a "war of Iraqi liberation."

Quite frankly, Yucapote IS correct. Israel has ignored UN mandates for decades, and yet hasn't drawn an invasion.

Am I upset about that fact? No, not in the least.

Does it deflect anything from the reality of the comparison, though? No, not in the least.
 
Couple things.
How I could be an Israel's hater if I have JEWISH blood in my veins.
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but this argument is a bad one. Hitler himself was half or a quarter Jewish. I am not comparing you to Hitler, just showing that that statement was meaningless.

Secondly, amongst the insults there were some extremely well thought out and polite points made.

DeltaElite,
Ya gotta be careful posting the facts around here, it upsets the natives to be confronted with facts, logic, reasoning and/or rational discourse.
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Sir, I am not sure if I should be offended or not. If you were a newbie with a few posts, I would pass it off as silly ignorance of the truth, but someone who has been here as long as you have, and posts as much as you do ...
Hmmm ...
 
Mike Irwin:

You know, pardon me if I'm wrong, but the entire ramp-up to war with Iraq was predicated on Iraq's continued violation of UN resolutions.

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Quite frankly, Yucapote IS correct. Israel has ignored UN mandates for decades, and yet hasn't drawn an invasion.
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Therein lies the false premise I criticized in the first thread.

We didn't invade Iraq because it violated resolutions. We invaded Iraq because it has WMD, and there are resolutions related to that.

The resolutions are expressions of the problem. The problem is the justification for invading Iraq. But the resolutions themselves are not the justification. Therefore it is a fallacy to suggest or imply that Israel is getting away with something that Iraq is being invaded for.

It's kind of like saying the colonists rebelled because of the Declaration of Independence. Rather the DoI was an expression of their justification for rebelling.
 
Israel is in violation of some UN resolutions, etc. So is Saddam.

The difference is that one is willing to use those against other countries, against his own people, and probably to give them to terrorists eventually.

One can be talked to... the other has been talked to for a long time, and won't listen.

If Israel uses their WMD on other people in the manner Saddam has, and ignores/deceives/refuses to comply for as long as the Iraqi regime... then it's go time.

We weren't pushing military action as a method to enforce resolutions against all countries. We were pushing for military action in light of repeated, willful, and direct violation of repeated calls for disarmament as both part of UN resolutions and treaties. He has proven his regime is willing to victimize his own people and others with these WMD, and remains a threat as he is distinctly willing to do anything to hurt the US, probably through terror attacks. He has proven himself and his regime as a threat to many of the free (and even not so free) peoples of the world. Israel has not and different situations earn different response levels.
 
Oleg to allow people who start threads to delete off topic posts from their threads
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No way to do it using this forum's software but we do take requests. Use "report this thread to a moderator" link.

I will note that being Jewish doesn't mean liking or disliking anything or anyone in particular. Personally, I will base judgement on the actions of individuals and their ethnicity, faith or scale color just don't matter!
 
I though we invaded Iraq to bring freedom to the Iraqi people?
Err, wait, what propaganda is it this week that we are using to justify this war? I'm not necessarily against the war, it's just amusing to hear the latest talking points to justify this.

And reading the other thread, yucapote is being slandered because he merely raises a point. Then again Israel can do no wrong, and anybody who questions it is a nazi.
 
"Therein lies the false premise I criticized in the first thread."

I don't think it's a false premise at all, Chuch.

If it's still a war "because Iraq has WMD," then why has the administration suddenly soft-shoed that aspect, going for "A war of Iraqi liberation?"

And, if we truly invaded Iraq simply because we suspect they have WMD, the North Korea connundrum comes right back at us...

The simple fact remains that the United States tried very hard for several months to get the UN to allow the US to act in its name, and failed. When that failed, the entire premise of the war suddently shifted...
 
I though we invaded Iraq to bring freedom to the Iraqi people?
Err, wait, what propaganda is it this week that we are using to justify this war? I'm not necessarily against the war, it's just amusing to hear the latest talking points to justify this.
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No offense, but you're being a little shortsighted.

I too am confused, but more disgusted, by the name "Operation Iraqi Freedom."

Though I suppose PART of the goal of this operation is the liberation of the Iraqi people, I do wish it was named differently, and that the media focus was on another point.

But its all PR: Others have said it before, that Americans have a hard time waging war and killing for anything other than touchy-feely, selfless, do-good stuff.

It doesn't sit well with many Americans and many other people in the world if we say "We are going to war to defend the US from a madman with WMD, who aids and abets terrorist organizations, and also in order to protect our oil interests."

:rolleyes:
 
yucapote;
Since you mentioned blood, UN and teaching, i will tell you what I think of them.

Sorry some have offended you, so this is not personal.

The United Nations is full of a bunch of idiots and socialists and should packup and go home.

As far as blood goes, it don`t mean S#!t.

The public school system is nothing more than indoctrination camps setup by the socialists to turn our children into a bunch of mindless idiots that fallow what the socialists want them to learn. The teachers give kindergarteners little awards for being good and fallowing the program, like little stickers to put on there shirts, candy treats and the like for fallowing the program propaganda. ( Can you say Pavlov`s Dog )

Every time I see one of the camps busses running around picking up our childern for indoctrination it makes me sick. They teach all kinds of crap that is Politically Correct, even if it defies common since, reason and known facts.

Sorry if this offends you and your awards and prizes from the indoctrinated Children. Hell, as far as I know you may have recived the awards for telling them the facts, even if you think the UN is something that should be part of our lives.
 
Drjones,

One element is Bush family honor (BFH), IMO (I have no proof, obviously). That's neither a good thing nor a bad thing. Certainly alone, BFH would be insufficient reason. But with the other good reasons for the war, so what if it's in there and we acknowledge it?

I support the war for numerous reasons, but BFH is not one of them. Nonetheless, I believe BFH is in there to a small degree, and that fact does not make me upset or diminish my strong support.
 
We didn't invade Iraq because it violated resolutions. We invaded Iraq because it has WMD, and there are resolutions related to that.
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That may be true on the surface but not in depth. There are several nations which have WMD. The deeper reason Iraq was invaded is because they have used them at least twice, the first time against Iran and the second time against the Kurds. Further Saddam's people have freely slaughtered their Shiite and Kurish citizens freely.
 
Cordex,
Don't be offended, unless you fit the statement I made. :D
If so, feel free to be as offended as you like. :D

Of course, I could just be pulling you chain and being a smart arse again, but who knows. ;)
 
That may be true on the surface but not in depth.
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Meek,

You are right that there are many and complex reasons (I know this; see my other posts in this thread and elsewhere). I was merely trying to distinguish between the resolutions and "justification" to criticize the false premise that we're invading over the resolutions.
 
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