I am not a number. I am a free man!

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Missouri issues ID numbers to pupils
By Carolyn Bower
Of the Post-Dispatch
07/19/2005

Missouri is assigning a 10-digit identification number to its public school students, from the 34 in tiny Wyaconda, Mo., to the more than 37,000 students in the St. Louis Public Schools. The ID numbers will allow educators to track students from preschool through high school.

So far this summer, nearly two-thirds of the numbers have been assigned. By January, well ahead of testing time next spring, Missouri expects to have IDs assigned to nearly all of the state's 905,000 public school students.

That will allow officials to save money and collect more accurate data by precoding test booklets with student information. It will provide a way to track students and their scores year to year, even if they move to other schools and districts. It also could help answer questions about how many students should be counted as dropouts.

"All states in the country are in the process of putting in place a student identification system," said Leigh Ann Grant-Engle, data manager for Missouri's education department.

Illinois also is developing a statewide identification system, said Becky Watts, a spokeswoman for the Illinois State Board of Education.

"Missouri did not want to be one of the leaders of the pack," Grant-Engle said. "But with the federal No Child Left Behind law, this seemed to be the right time to do this."

The federal law does not require statewide identifiers, but identifiers make the required public reports more efficient to compile, said Glynn Ligon, president of ESP Solutions Group of Austin, Texas, the company Missouri has hired to help develop the ID system. "It's real clear that states have difficulty verifying information if they can't look at individual student records," Ligon said.

For now, participation by Missouri school districts is voluntary. Grant-Engle said confidentiality would be ensured by keeping Social Security numbers hidden and requiring a security clearance for people who operate the system.

School officials submit to the state information such as a student's first, last and middle name, date of birth, race, gender and grade, as well as school district, school attended and district where the student lives.

The database will include information about English language learners and students in migrant, Title I, special education and vocational education. In addition, the database will contain state test score information. Links to postsecondary education records could be possible.

The $600,000 cost of developing the Missouri Student Information System will be financed through federal money.

Bertha Doar, director of data analysis for the Rockwood School District, served on a committee to study the idea of statewide student ID numbers.

Doar said the switch could save Rockwood about $6,000 to $7,000 a year in precoding tests. In addition, she said, the information could provide teachers with more information about a student's academic background. "When a kid transfers in without documents or records, this system will tell us what school to call," she said. "That way we don't have to reinvent the wheel and do screenings all over again."

But the switch does not come easily. School technology departments have to jump through several hoops to allow the new statewide ID to become part of the school district systems.

Ferguson-Florissant school officials register new students frequently, said Dan Wineinger, director of technology services for the district. The district will provide student information to the state once Wineinger gets some questions answered. "This will not be quick and easy," he said. "It could require extra work each day."

Andrea Wood, coordinator of student assessment for the Parkway School District, doubts the transfer of information will be easy for anyone. Parkway students will continue to use their Parkway ID number to check out books or buy food. But they won't have to remember all the numbers or even their names. The state system will code their tests with both the state and the district numbers as well as the student's name, Wood said.

"In the long run, this will be good," Wood said. "In the short run, this will be a lot of work."

Source: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...5F87257DDE262CE9862570440018D1E4?OpenDocument
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For now, participation by Missouri school districts is voluntary.
For how long I wonder, for how long?

And the indoctrination continues. :cuss:
 
Bah. This is nothing new. I still remember my student ID number from elementary school in Montgomery County, MD (623366). That's been fifteen years now.

I don't know what's scarier, the fact that it's been going on so long, or the fact that I remember my number, even though I left the state after fifth grade. :D
 
And guess what, once you have a number for health insurance and a number for school and a number for this and that, guess what - it's going to be too many numbers. The only solution will be that all the numbers be amalgomated into 1 identifying number for each person. Why do we even bother with names anymore.
 
Ive had ID numbers for school for 4 years. Doesnt mean anything except a convient number for lunch! And, school passwords for random thigns and the school computers.
 
Heck. I remember my old student number: MMMCDXLVII And I used to drive a chariot to school. yuk, yuk.

"The only solution will be that all the numbers be amalgomated into 1 identifying number for each person. Why do we even bother with names anymore."

Hmmm.... Does the term "social security number" ring them chimes?

I read a short story somewhere during my travels about some guy who was lamenting the fact that he was not unique in any way. His name was something like John Doe or Joe Smith and he was constantly being mistaken for one or more of the thirty others in town with the same name. Then he got his social security number and was very happy since he had a unique number. No one in the world had the same number. Then they threw a net over him and he's gone now.

rr
 
In my kid's school district, they use their SSN as the student ID number. When my girl entered kindergarten, I called and said that we do not give out her SSN willy-nilly for such purposes. They said "No problem. Just write 'refused' in the spot and we will assign a random number," which is what happened.
 
It predates Iron Maiden, you know.

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185428 for High school, SSN for college.

And I have never had to use them, they are for things way behind whatever I ever see. When I show up to class, I am not refered to as 185428, I am refered to as jefnvk. When I take a test, I don't write 185428 in there, I write jefnvk.

Just because someone has an identification number, doesn't mean that they are refered to only as it. Just like in real life, I am not refered to as N120390777xxx because that is my driver's license number.

And in my experience, computer records are much easier to work with if there is a number instead of a name.
 
Yeah, wasn't it a TV show or something....had the same name if I recall.

Iron Maiden was my first exposure....as I recall it had a sound bite from the show at the start of the song.

I'm just an old metal head.... :D

Smoke
 
Its on the classic Maiden album Number of the Beast.

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The Prisoner
Words and Lyrics by Steve Harris and Adrian Smith

(Into)
Speaker 1: We want information, information, information
Speaker 2: Who are you?
Speaker 1: The new number 2.
Speaker 2: Who is number 1?
Speaker 1: You are number 6.
Speaker 2: I am not a number. I am a FREE MAN!!!!
Speaker 2: Ha ha ha ha ha



I'm on the run, I kill to eat
I'm starving now, feeling dead on my feet
Going all the way, I'm natures beast
Do what I want and do as I please

Run - Fight - To breathe - It's tough
Now you see me now you don't
Break the walls I'm coming out

Not a prisoner I'm a free man
And my blood is my own now
Don't care where the past was
I know where I'm going ...out!

If you kill me it's self defense
And if I kill ya' then I call it vengeance
Spit in your eye I will defy
You'll be afraid when I call out your name

Run - Fight - To breathe - It's gonna be tough
Now you see me now you don't
Break the walls I'm coming out

Not a prisoner I'm a free man
And my blood is my own now
Don't care where the past was
I know where I'm going

I'm not a number I'm a free man
Live my life where I want to
You'd better scratch me from your black book
Coz' I'll run rings around you
 
Wow, I still remember mine. 198689.

It's not that big of a deal to me. You can't use names because two people may have identical names, and it's easier to just do things chronologically.
 
Perhaps my perspective is skewed then. I was never assigned a number in public school during the '70s-'83. There may have been one used internally by the Admin, but I was never told it, nor was it demanded of me.

In college ('85-'89), the student ID number a random looking set of numbers, but the only time it was required was for class registration via phone, and that could be avoided by walk in registration.
 
What scares me the worst, Torpid, is watching our society turn INTO "The Village"... surrealism included.

-K
 
I got my driver's license renewal today. In order for the State of Michigan to grant me the priviledge of operating a car that I paid for down a road that I helped pay for, I must submit my SS # because the Federal Government ordered them to make me do this so that they can catch deadbeat parents regarding child support. I have no choice. I can't even go to the trouble of appearing before them and swearing an affadavit under oath that I don't owe any child support. (My youngest son is 35 years old for God's sake). CheezNcrackers, I'd just not renew the bloomin' thing except the state reports that to the insurance company and they'll cancel your insurance. So, no insurance, hit someone, lose everything and go to jail. Free country we live in, no? Not much of a jump from a Nanny State to a Police State, neh? Frankly, I think we're mostly there. Pfah!

Every day something like this happens that makes me feel good about being nearly 62 years old. I pity you young folks. By the time you're my age, you'll have your # stamped onto your forehead and they'll pick the day they terminate you because you're worthless.

Boy has this hit my negative button. End of Rant.
 
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