Here are a few thoughts on a couple of the points noted by the respondents:
1. Californians are obnoxious. I can certainly understand that other folks don't like us, but having said that, my buddy is a Utahn, and my family were original pioneers, or Saints as they liked to call themselves. Additionally, I think that we behaved well in the woods. We picked up our trash and never had harsh words with any locals.By the way, the license plates on the ATV carriers parked all over were from all of the western states.
2. In scouting we did observe numerous ATV tracks. We should have anticipated bad circus like behavior. I'll never go there again!
3. I am not proposing that we ban ATVs. If you enjoy ATVing, great, I have no problem with you. My problem is with the hundreds of hunters who seem to think that zipping up and down the side of a mountain constitutes hunting. Furthermore, I don't belive many, or any, of the people on the ATVs out there were there solely for the ATV. The perponderance were nominal hunters.
4. We did observe deer, but it was way past shooting hours. My conclusion, and I think it is fair, is that all of the noise and comotion made them hunker down, possibly near the highway where you can't hunt. All of the noise and commotion made me nervous. I can only immagine what a wild animal would experience.
5. The guy who hunted for a week and never got a deer said that he saw lots of deer, but never got a shot. I don't think that he considered that the deer may have heard him coming and skidadled leaving him only fleeting glimpses of animals. I don't think he ever considered the possibility of waiting patiently near a water source and deer trail.
6. People think that activity is good (like Obama thinks change is good), but some activity, and some change, is bad. Sometimes patience has advantages over neurotic activity.
Mauserguy