I hate my Contender 30-30

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mtnbkr

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It's boringly accurate.

It's a Super 14 barrel on a pre-G2 frame. I have a Bushnell 2-6x32 scope mounted. At 50yds, from sandbags on a wobbly range table, I can easily put 15 shots through a hole smaller than a quarter. When I shot it off one of the rifle tables (no wobbles or movement) a while back, it would put 5 shots through a single caliber sized hole. At first, I thought I missed the paper completely for shots 2-5, but I shot a second one hole group on a fresh target.

I was going to cut it down to 12" and have it rechambered to 30-30 AI, but I'm not touching it now.

Chris
 
Chris,

I am glad to hear that you got the scope working for you on your 30-30. I just got back online and saw your post and then checked my private messages. I am glad that you are happy with it. The money from the scope went towards a big fire safe. All I have to do is anchor the safe to the concrete garage floor and then I can load it up. Hope your setup gets you a deer or whatever you hunt with it.

Boo586
 
Thanks!

I'm seriously considering it for Spring Gobbler (here in Va, we can use just about anything). If I can get a steady rest and if Mr Tom sits still for a second, I could probably get a head or neck shot out at least as far as I'd shoot with a shotgun. The terrain where I hunt is so hilly and wooded (both understatements), I don't have to worry much with overpenetration.

Chris
 
I can see why you hate it. Where's the challenge?

I can also see why you are leacing it alone. Perfection is a rare thing in this world. You should preserve your piece of perfection.
 
Fifty Yards?

mtnbkr, why so close? them there T/Cs are short rifles don't ya know and accurate out to way yonder!
I had one years ago in the course of working up loads stumbled onto H-110 way before Steve Herritt and his wildcats, in retrospect I shoulda done the Ackley Improved just to reduce the trimming along with the performance.
 
mtnbkr, why so close?
The NRA HQ range is only 50yds. The only range that's longer closes at 5pm and is nearly an hour away.

I probably won't get to try it out at longer distances until this spring.

Chris
 
Chris <sob> - I feel so sorry for you!:D :neener:

My 14" .223 barrel is a bit that way tho even when rested I am never quite steady enough so - my hatred is not complete. Probably never will be, mind you that's at 100 yds. Always striving for the more miniscule group. caseydog's Encore and my old original Contender both love that cal.

I have seriously thought of getting a ''thuddy-thuddy'' barrel - yet might.
 
My 14" .223 barrel is a bit that way tho even when rested I am never quite steady enough so - my hatred is not complete. Probably never will be, mind you that's at 100 yds. Always striving for the more miniscule group.
Yeah, if I could stretch out to 100yds, then my groups would expand enough to give me room for improvement. However, at 50yds, it's hard to improve upon what I have already.

I need that 45/70 barrel so I can work on recoil control. :evil:

Chris
 
All you've done is prove short range bench rest accuracy.

If you're limited to the 50yd line, then it's time to start shooting offhand. Else get that thing to a longer range. When you can consistently tag a 10" steel plate off hand at 200 meters. Then you've got a shooter.

-Steve
 
Sounds like this Contender really sucks. It would especially suck trying out that new lever action ammo from Hornady in it. That would be just rotten.
:D
 
Mtnbkr, I have the same setup you do and I get the same results you do. Fantastic shooter! I have REALLY enjoyed shooting it on the range when guys bring in their old leverguns in 30-30 and sight them in for deer season. Some only get '5-gallon bucket' accuracy at 100 yds and seem satisfied.

Then they watch me shoot the contender, quietly put theirs in the car and go home!

FINE deer-getter too. I have taken several with Nosler 125 gr BT's and it will do the classic 'bam-flop' on a deer at quite surprising distances.

In short, yeah, mine is BORING in its accuracy but I LOVE IT!!!
 
Sounds like your TC 30-30 would smoke a lot of 30-30 rifles! That is fine accuracy despite what others may say. I never tried out my TC with a 30-30 , sounds like you got a great shooter!
 
I hate my Contender 30-30 ?

What brand of mount and rings are you using on your scope ?
Thanks, Keith
 
Yeah, mine's a "hand rifle", too. :D That's why I love the thing for hunting. I've got the .30-30 barrel in a 12" hunter with the compensator and I swear, I've had .38 wadcutters recoil more. But, be sure and take your ear muffs! Not sure if it's the compensator, the 14" barrel is better I'm sure, but I rung my own bell out of a box blind when I first started hunting with it. Hearing bells for days. :eek: Killed the deer, though.:D

I shoot a handload with a Nosler Ballistic tip 150 grain in mine. I can, from the bench put 5 shots into 3" at 200 yards. Bud, THAT'S a hunting HANDgun!:D With a zero at 175 yards, it hits 3" high at 100 and 2.5" low at 200. Makes 200 yards viable if you have a good rest. At that range, you're still packin' 922 ft lbs with 1660 fps velocity. The Nosler WILL expand at 1500 fps, but it's getting down pretty low at 200 yards. That's my limit, but with a pistol, that's a heck of a limit! I've yet to shoot anything further than about 90 yards, though. I get awesome performance on deer with that bullet. It's shooting 33.5 grains of IMR3031 behind that bullet for a muzzle velocity of 2000 fps and 1315 ft lbs. Standard deviation for a ten shot string was 23.56 which ain't bad, pretty consistent.

Out of a 14" barrel, that load would probably gain another 100 fps. I've stuck with this load, though, as it has a good ballistic coefficient, the bullet expands well at these lower velocities (not common for this bullet weight in a spitzer), and it shoots a LONG ways.

Compare this load to a flat nose Winchester factory load, MV is 1870 fps for 1166 ft lbs and a six shot string SD of 29.77. A 175 yard zero sees you over 4" (excessive) high at 100 yards and 7 inches down at 200. and 200 yard retained velocity/energy is 1325 fps at 585 ft lbs. You can see, the spitzer wakes this baby up!

I have another load I worked up for the Sierra game king 135 grain "pistol bullet" spitzer designed specifically for contenders in .30 caliber. I load 37.5 grains of IMR 3031 behind that bullet and get 2085 fps at 1303 ft lbs. This load retains 1666 fps at 831 ft lbs at 200 yards and a 175 yard zero sees it 3" high at 100 yards and 2.4" low at 200. This bullet expands very well. I haven't shot it in the contender on game, 'cause I settled on the 150 Nosler load, but I have fired this bullet on game out of an SKS for similar velocities. It worked like magic at 100 yards on a doe.

Don't know if you're into handloading, but you see that you can make this gun a viable 200 yard game getter with a good spitzer where factory flat points will give you a 150 yard gun. Actually, because the energy on the flat point factory load is already down to a little over 800 ft lbs at 100 yards, I'd keep my shots on deer to 100 yards are less. At 150 you're 680 ft lbs, pretty low for a .30 cal bullet on deer. Spitzer handloads will wake a .30-30 up.
 
mtnbkr ?

Do you have 4 or six holes for you scope mount. I would think 4 does weaver even make a six hole mount ?
Thanks,Keith
 
I'm pretty sure it's a 4hold mount. I don't know if they make a 6hole one or not. You'd have to get your barrel drilled/tapped for the 2 extra holes if so.

Chris
 
Don't know if you're into handloading
Yup, but I haven't started loading for the 30-30 yet. I want to shoot some more factory ammo and get a better "feel" for the gun and cartridge first. I'll probably start soon though. I want to use it as a "walking around gun" for this Fall's deer season.

Chris
 
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