I Need Some Remington 870 Police Help

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mattz357

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I am trying to gather info on a Remington 870 Police (order #4407 on the LE or Military website). I have been on the virge of buying the 870 Home Defense model (with the synthetic stock and extended mag) for years, and I have finally decided that I can't go on without a shotgun any longer. I read that the Police guns get a lot more attention, and some premium parts, but there is almost no info on the Police models other than the chart on the website. I can't find any pictures to confirm what the 4407 even looks like, but I think it is the Police equivalent to the Home Defense. I don't really know that much about shotguns, except that I want one, so any info in general is appreciated. What are the recommended add-ons... sidesaddle, sling, heatshield, etc.? In addition to info, please feel free to post pictures of your favorite shotgun, or one that is used and abused. Thanks in advance!!!
 
It'll look pretty much like the 870HD you've been looking at, except for a short LE forearm rather than the extended field type forearm. The real differences are internal.

Add-ons? Good training and lots'o'practice (once you learn WHAT to practice) would be the first thing I'd recommend. Software trumps hardware every time. If the gun needs any alterations out of the box, IMHO the main thing would be fitting it to you properly. Most fighting shotguns do better with a somewhat shorter stock, a too-long stock is much harder to use well. And it's a good time to make sure you have a premium recoil pad installed too.

Once the box stock shotgun is as familiar as a body part, then start thinking about adding things that help you run the gun better. Don't think of them as must-haves before the gun can be seen in public. Sidesaddles I like, some folks don't care for 'em. Heat shields belong on the mufflers of dirt bikes, you won't have a bayonet and if you load at the shoulder you won't ever be touching the barrel, even if you ever do manage to get it hot.

A sling on a long gun is like a holster for a pistol- good to have if you need to do something else with your hands. A white light on the gun is something else I like, again others don't care to use them. Having a light on the gun doesn't rule out having one in your hand also, but I like to have a reload and a light on the shotgun when I pick it up. Might be I won't have any pockets to carry stuff in right then... :D

lpl/nc
 
Here's what Remington says about the differance between the Express and the Police guns:

REMINGTON ARMS COMPANY, LE DIVISION
Important differences between Remington 870 Police and 870 Express shotguns
The 870 Express has been an important part of Remington’s offering to the sporting market.
It was designed to meet a price point in the commercial market while still providing classic 870 functionality.
All of Remington’s 870’s have interchangeable parts, even if they have cosmetic differences.
It is also important to note that many manufacturers use the 870 Express platform for their Police / Combat models.
Without exception, every manufacturer who utilizes our 870 platform serves to upgrade their system to a more efficient, street worthy platform.
While the 870 Express is still an 870, the best pump shotgun on the market, there are some very important cosmetic and functional differences between it and the 870 Police.
To our customers in Law Enforcement, Military, Corrections, and Security, whose lives depend upon the unfailing performance of Remington shotguns, the Police modifications are of paramount importance. Synopses of the variances are provided below.

• 870 Police shotguns go thru a special 23 station check list – ranging from visual inspection, functional testing, test firing, and final inspection.

• All Police shotguns are assembled in a “special build area” at the plant in Ilion, NY. This section is secured and serves only to build LE and Military shotguns, with the same factory personnel working at that assignment each shift.

• All parts that enter the “special build area” are visually inspected by hand to ensure top quality and functionality.

• Due to heavy recoil in buck and slug loads, all 870 Police guns have a longer magazine spring which ensures positive feed and function.

• A heavier sear spring is used to generate a reliable, positive trigger pull between 5 and 8 lbs.

• A heavier carrier dog spring is used to ensure when the carrier elevates the shell, it will be held there until the bolt can push it into the chamber. This ensures positive feeding when using heavier payload rounds.

• Police shotguns do not have an ISS (Integrated Safety System) which is a locking mechanism on the safety of commercial shotguns. This type of locking mechanism can cause delay to an officer who needs the weapon but does not have the appropriate key. LE shotguns have the standard, proven, cross bolt safety.

• The fore-end on the Express model is longer and not compatible with many police shotgun vehicle racks.

• The Police shotguns utilize the heavy duty SPEEDFEED Stocks and Fore-ends.

• The Express model will not allow for the addition of an extension tube without physical modification to the tube and barrel, which can nullify the warranty.

• The Express model has a BEAD BLAST BLUE finish while the Police models utilize either High Luster bluing or Parkerization.

• The Express model utilizes a synthetic trigger housing while the Police models use a compressed metal housing.

• The Police shotgun barrel is locked down with a “ball detent” system in conjunction with the magazine cap vs. a lesser grade “synthetic magazine spring retainer” lock down as used on the Express system.

• The receivers used in Police guns are “vibra honed” to smooth out rough finishes and remove burrs before parkerization or bluing.

• Police shotguns use machined ejectors and extractors, as opposed to powdered metal cast which are utilized on the Express models.



This was posted from ar15.com. As the above poster said, the differences are mainly internal. The only noticeable exterior differences in the police will be the finish, the rollmark, and the top of the receiver. Some police guns will also have chrome bolts and lifters. The police guns are essentially beefed up wingmasters, while the express guns are a more economical line with some corners cut to save costs. If you have the means, get the police version. Even though there is nothing wrong with an express, I find the police version to feel a little more sturdy and smoother than the express.
 
hi matt,
i too am adding an 870 to my collection this christmas. from what i have read, their is little to no functional difference to the 870 express and 870 police. i chose to go with the police because they are supposed to have a better external finish. i will be using mine as a rabbit gun (it will get wet, muddy, dusty, cold, hot) so i wanted it parkerized. if it was going to be staying at the house and used as a HD shotty, then i would take either the express HD or the Police model. i really don't think there is a bad choice in an 870.
 
The one thing I try to steer new guys away from is a pistol grip instead of a stock. (I don't mind a pistol grip WITH the full stock,) The stock is important to keep as a striking weapon and you want to shoot correctly, puttint it to your shoulder and using the sights/bead.
 
i will be using mine as a rabbit gun (it will get wet, muddy, dusty, cold, hot)

My 870 express's do double duty as deer and dove guns and get wet/muddy etc. with no ill effects. I'm not one of those with gun cleaning OCD either. I simply do the internal basics with an external wipedown and they've held up well. I've owned Wingmasters that have ended up as safe queens because I don't want to nick the pretty wood stocks or scratch the pretty bluing. Something about an express finish with synthetic stocks (buy speedfeeds to replace the originals) says "Use me".

I'm sure the park'd finish is more durable, but so far my express's have held up well.
 
The Police model is worth the extra money & not because of a better external finish.
It gets more attention, and better quality parts internally.
Denis
 
ranting redneck,

no doubt the express is a fine shotgun. as i said, " i don't think there is a bad choice in an 870." and i mean ANY 870. the express finish is not a bad finish, just that the parkerized on the police model is supposedly a little tougher. and for $65.00 difference in the price that my dealer is offering, i don't mind paying the difference if the finish is better.

Matt,
DPris is right about the better internals. 870 Police models are supposed to have heavier magazine springs, aluminum trigger guard ( the express has plastic), there are not supposed to be any rough spots on the slides, all parts are hand inspected for quality, no lock on the safety, a milled extractor, (the express has an MIM extractor i belive) they are built in their own area of the plant, and i'm sure there are some things i am leaving out. in short, they build the 870 police to very high standards both inside and out.

as to avoid any confusion, i think any 870 is plenty of gun for HD or whatever. i just like the parkerized finish on the police so that is why i am buying the police over the express.
 
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