I really think I should buy a snubby - again.
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Taurus 651, .357 mag.
Great price, Good weight for pocket carry and recoil control, shoot tons of .357 and never had any problems and Great for pocket carry. seems like everything you were looking for. oh, and still has DA/SA ability w/o worrying about snagging on clothing.
Great price, Good weight for pocket carry and recoil control, shoot tons of .357 and never had any problems and Great for pocket carry. seems like everything you were looking for. oh, and still has DA/SA ability w/o worrying about snagging on clothing.
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My take:
Get an OLDer snub-nose revolver in dedicated .38spl.
This is a CCW , while appearance on the outside is the first thing one sees, the insides are what keeps one safe.
Inside: Metallurgy, Quality of parts , and Craftsman of parts fitted (QC) will keep one alive, even if the exterior has nicks, scratches, bluing worn/missing, rust speckles and pits.
Gun gotta go bang - period.
Guns are going to have recoil, this is where Gun Fit comes into play which also includes Weight of Gun to Payload being fired.
All Steel or Steel and Aluminum alloy are proven to work.
Other alloys restrict one on loadings recommended as recoil can cause the gun NOT to run.
Concealing and Environments: Each person has to access for them Activities of Daily Living [ADLs] and how they will carry a CCW.
NFPE [Non Friendly Protection Enviroments] and NPE [Non Protection Enviornments exist. Access and Choose for yourself.
Colt Detective Specials "look" like a Smith J frame size , still feel more like a K frame size with one more round (total of 6).
Downsides: These Quality Guns are getting harder to find, Expensive, Accessories are more limited, and being honest, having a Quality Gun Smith that knows how to inspect, maintain and work on one is getting rarer.
Great Guns not doubt! Still many do not want mess up a Colt, or even if the Colt is a older one, worn bluing, and not very "pretty" , just due to sentimental value - some pu tthese up.
I for instance have a 1928 DS, sentimental, I carry it rarely.
Ditto for some others I know with Colts of this era.
Then again, quite a few are CCWing these.
They have worn finishes and all from being shot often, Hot and Humid and Sweat has even with care, allowed some light rust freckling.
Insides are pristine.
SP101 - great gun. Heavy, Hefty Easy to take down and Maintain.
Some do find this one difficult to CCW in a Pocket, not comfy in a Belly Band, or any other method other than IWB/OWB
J Frames on the other hand , well being honest, still have parts available, and most gunsmiths can work on one if need. Much easier to find a Smith that can, and worst case - send it to S&W.
Stocks and other accessories are more readily available , even Crimson Trace are made for these if this something you should require.
J frames can be made more "concealable" due to more options out there.
Smaller stocks, one has to compromise concealing vs gun fit to shoot well.
J frames are NOT easy to "master" ( I hate using that word here). Hence the reason it is NOT the best gun to learn on or have has a first gun.
Two things assists with this: Learning correct basic fundamentals with a K frame with a 3" or 4" barrel with light loadings.
.22 rim-fire J frame Guns , these afford a lot of quality practice with less recoil, less ammo cost, thus allowing one to instill correct basic fundamentals.
Third is taking a Snubby Class and then taking lessons learned and repeating them over and over and over again.
I personally like and carried/carry Model 36 (all blue steel) Model 37 (blue steel and Al alloy) , 042, and 442.
Ammo was /is Standard Pressure 158 gr LSWC most often.
Same except LSWC-HP
The old Nyclads.
On some, I had a Smith install a Gold Bead in the front sight. This sight will not break, not "dim" , and it shows in all lighting conditions.
For some of the "occasions" , one of these was worn in a crotch holster.
This for if everything has gone downhill and getting worse. Primary is gone, Back-Up is gone and ...well, you gotta do what you gotta do because the BG certainly intends to.
One of my guns had to be re-finished as did one of my "pards".
Reasons for this was simple, Matters got serious, and skittering one under a vehicle/ across asphalt pavement alters the finish a bit.
But the guns worked, and were refinished.
Just my take.
Get an OLDer snub-nose revolver in dedicated .38spl.
This is a CCW , while appearance on the outside is the first thing one sees, the insides are what keeps one safe.
Inside: Metallurgy, Quality of parts , and Craftsman of parts fitted (QC) will keep one alive, even if the exterior has nicks, scratches, bluing worn/missing, rust speckles and pits.
Gun gotta go bang - period.
Guns are going to have recoil, this is where Gun Fit comes into play which also includes Weight of Gun to Payload being fired.
All Steel or Steel and Aluminum alloy are proven to work.
Other alloys restrict one on loadings recommended as recoil can cause the gun NOT to run.
Concealing and Environments: Each person has to access for them Activities of Daily Living [ADLs] and how they will carry a CCW.
NFPE [Non Friendly Protection Enviroments] and NPE [Non Protection Enviornments exist. Access and Choose for yourself.
Colt Detective Specials "look" like a Smith J frame size , still feel more like a K frame size with one more round (total of 6).
Downsides: These Quality Guns are getting harder to find, Expensive, Accessories are more limited, and being honest, having a Quality Gun Smith that knows how to inspect, maintain and work on one is getting rarer.
Great Guns not doubt! Still many do not want mess up a Colt, or even if the Colt is a older one, worn bluing, and not very "pretty" , just due to sentimental value - some pu tthese up.
I for instance have a 1928 DS, sentimental, I carry it rarely.
Ditto for some others I know with Colts of this era.
Then again, quite a few are CCWing these.
They have worn finishes and all from being shot often, Hot and Humid and Sweat has even with care, allowed some light rust freckling.
Insides are pristine.
SP101 - great gun. Heavy, Hefty Easy to take down and Maintain.
Some do find this one difficult to CCW in a Pocket, not comfy in a Belly Band, or any other method other than IWB/OWB
J Frames on the other hand , well being honest, still have parts available, and most gunsmiths can work on one if need. Much easier to find a Smith that can, and worst case - send it to S&W.
Stocks and other accessories are more readily available , even Crimson Trace are made for these if this something you should require.
J frames can be made more "concealable" due to more options out there.
Smaller stocks, one has to compromise concealing vs gun fit to shoot well.
J frames are NOT easy to "master" ( I hate using that word here). Hence the reason it is NOT the best gun to learn on or have has a first gun.
Two things assists with this: Learning correct basic fundamentals with a K frame with a 3" or 4" barrel with light loadings.
.22 rim-fire J frame Guns , these afford a lot of quality practice with less recoil, less ammo cost, thus allowing one to instill correct basic fundamentals.
Third is taking a Snubby Class and then taking lessons learned and repeating them over and over and over again.
I personally like and carried/carry Model 36 (all blue steel) Model 37 (blue steel and Al alloy) , 042, and 442.
Ammo was /is Standard Pressure 158 gr LSWC most often.
Same except LSWC-HP
The old Nyclads.
On some, I had a Smith install a Gold Bead in the front sight. This sight will not break, not "dim" , and it shows in all lighting conditions.
For some of the "occasions" , one of these was worn in a crotch holster.
This for if everything has gone downhill and getting worse. Primary is gone, Back-Up is gone and ...well, you gotta do what you gotta do because the BG certainly intends to.
One of my guns had to be re-finished as did one of my "pards".
Reasons for this was simple, Matters got serious, and skittering one under a vehicle/ across asphalt pavement alters the finish a bit.
But the guns worked, and were refinished.
Just my take.
ronto
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The 357 Ruger DAO SP101 disappears all day in a UM #3 in my jeans front pocket. I don't find it to be too heavy...Guess I'm just used to it...Easy on recoil even with 357 loads.
again I say this - I was quite a good shooter with the 340PD. I just didn't like it. It hurt to practice, and I didn't like how fragile the finish was.
This is not my first snubby obviously. If I could shoot accurately with a 340PD with full house .357 loads, then anything of lesser power or more weight will be easier.
Since it's been a little while, I'll probably practice a little bit with whatever I get, regain my ability to shoot a J-frame, and after that just carry it in a pocket when I need to pocket carry, which isn't too often anyways.
This is not my first snubby obviously. If I could shoot accurately with a 340PD with full house .357 loads, then anything of lesser power or more weight will be easier.
Since it's been a little while, I'll probably practice a little bit with whatever I get, regain my ability to shoot a J-frame, and after that just carry it in a pocket when I need to pocket carry, which isn't too often anyways.
redmule
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Good choice, thats what a lot of us use for pocket carry.
Redmule
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oh yeah, btw - does Bass Pro around you guys not carry snubbies?
I walked in there thinking I'd get the 642 right there along with a second Glock 23 (had never bought a gun there before), and ended up walking out relizing that they don't have anything smaller than the Glock 23. The guy said, "We don't carry concealed carry guns."
I guess either the corporate stance is anti-carry, or the corporate stance is that they're just focusing on hunting. Not sure which. If it's that they just don't want to broaden the focus of their product line, that's an understandable business decision as too much diversity loses sight of their core competencies. If it's anti-carry though, that would be a bummer, although it would explain I guess why they have very few holsters.
Anyways, just was wondering if the Bass Pros near you guys don't carry J-frames either.
The smallest revolver they had was a 4'inch barrel Smith.
I ended up buying the 642 and the Glock at the LGS, who gave me a better price than Bass Pro anyways.
I walked in there thinking I'd get the 642 right there along with a second Glock 23 (had never bought a gun there before), and ended up walking out relizing that they don't have anything smaller than the Glock 23. The guy said, "We don't carry concealed carry guns."
I guess either the corporate stance is anti-carry, or the corporate stance is that they're just focusing on hunting. Not sure which. If it's that they just don't want to broaden the focus of their product line, that's an understandable business decision as too much diversity loses sight of their core competencies. If it's anti-carry though, that would be a bummer, although it would explain I guess why they have very few holsters.
Anyways, just was wondering if the Bass Pros near you guys don't carry J-frames either.
The smallest revolver they had was a 4'inch barrel Smith.
I ended up buying the 642 and the Glock at the LGS, who gave me a better price than Bass Pro anyways.
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