I saw the coolest rifle ever!

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At The range today there was a guy and his son shooting in the lane next to me. The boy looked to be 6 years old or so. All I could hear was a "ping" from the backstop...thought he had a pellet gun to teach his young man how to shoot.

Turns out it was a full auto:what: integrally suppressed (silent):D Ruger 10/22 with a metal folding stock. I didn't know these rifles even existed. He said it took a special aluminium banana magazine. Nice wood furniture. Believe he said it was made in 1984. Very, very cool!
 
There are two 10/22 full auto conversions, one made by TEK which is far more rare, and the Norrell. Currently, Norrell trigger packs are in excess of $10,000USD. They take normal 10/22 magazines, no "special aluminum banana magazines". There is one aluminum mag on the market, made by Tactical Innovations (www.tacticalinc.com) which costs about $60. It uses Butler Creek internals and has a milled aluminum body and four set screws on top so you can tweek it to your gun, but it's not just for the full auto version.
 
They take normal 10/22 magazines, no "special aluminum banana magazines". There is one aluminum mag on the market, made by Tactical Innovations (www.tacticalinc.com) which costs about $60. It uses Butler Creek internals and has a milled aluminum body and four set screws on top so you can tweek it to your gun, but it's not just for the full auto version.
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That sounds like what I saw today. I think he mentioned Tactical Innovations.
 
Interesting...but if I could afford to play the "full auto game" I think I'd spend my money on something besides a 10/22.
 
I don't know about full auto, but I would lover to pick up an integrally suppressed 10/22 just to play around with. I have seen them advertised in Shotgun News before. The price in the $700 or $800 I think.
 
if I could afford to play the "full auto game" I think I'd spend my money on something besides a 10/22.
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I dunno about that. One of the big problems with the "full auto game" is the cost of playing, and I don't mean the price of the gun! Even milsurp pistol and rifle ammo drains your bank account quickly when its being burned up at a cyclic rate 500+ rounds per minute. Figure $5-20 per magazine (10-30 rounds) depending on the caliber and magazine size with almost any centerfire full auto. The .22LR is a pipsqueak of a cartridge, but it's cheap! That means you can shoot all day for not too much money. You can easily get the cost down to a couple of bucks per mag or less. The end result is that they guys with the centerfires tend to shoot them a little here and there, and then put them away, while the .22 guys keep shooting and shooting and shooting ....
 
Father Knows Best,
I hear ya. But if you can afford several thousand dollars for the gun, you can afford plent of ammo.

Kinda like the guy in a Rolls-Royce dealership that asked "What kinda gas mileage does it get?"...And the salesmen replied "If you have to ask, you can't afford it" :D
 
Why waste a class III on a .22?

Huh?

I don't get it. You can't waste a "class III". You fill out a form 4 and pay $200 for any NFA item. It isn't like you get only one. For all you know that guy owns ten other full auto. So fricking what?

I was out shooting a suppressed Walther .22 the other night in a match. I suppose that might be considered a "waste of a class III" but it was pretty damn fun, and it is my money. I was also shooting a full auto M16 lower, with a 10.5" upper, with a Tactical Innovations suppresor on it. And my shotgun was a 8" barreled Saiga 12.

Do any of those offend you? :p
 
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I hear ya. But if you can afford several thousand dollars for the gun, you can afford plent of ammo.
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What about the person who scrimps and saves for years to buy a full auto? Not everyone who's into NFA toys has a huge amount of disposable income to pour into their hobby.
 
Not everyone who's into NFA toys has a huge amount of disposable income to pour into their hobby.
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Amen to that. I'm saving up for my first full auto, and have been for a couple of years now. It will probably be an AC556K, because they're relatively cheap ($6-7,000) and reliable, parts and service are available, and surplus .223 isn't too expensive. Better yet, there are .22LR conversion kits available, so I can shoot the cheap stuff! Sure, I'd prefer to run .223 through it, but I won't be able to afford too much of it. If I could only shoot centerfire ammo, I probably wouldn't use it much, and I like to SHOOT my guns.
 
Don't forget replacement parts...

If I was to go into full auto, the FIRST thing I'd want is a 10/22. If something breaks, you pay $10 and get the part. I'm sure you're not going go find any cheap spare parts for even an M3, let alone an H&K.
Ammo is so cheap, you can shoot all day. If you wear out a part, you're still ahead of the game.

Besides, I always wanted to have a use for the muzzle breaks for the 10/22 that everyone sells. I think full auto would justify it, as well as make it look tacit-cool.
 
I've thought about a suppressed .22 for a while, either a P22/Buckmark/MkII with a can or an integrally suppressed 10/22. It would be a heck of a lot of fun and a cheap way to get into the NFA game. Plus you get that "hollywood quiet" goodness! A full auto 10/22 would just plain rock but seems they are rare and spendy these days.
 
The coolest suppressed gun I've ever seen was a John's Guns conversion of a Ruger 77/44. It's a bolt action 44 magnum rifle with an integral suppressor. At first glance, it just looks like a bull barrel. With subsonic loads, though, the thing is whisper quiet. You hear the click of the trigger, and a second later the splat of a 240 grain slug impacting the target. VERY cool....
 
Interesting...but if I could afford to play the "full auto game" I think I'd spend my money on something besides a 10/22.
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Me too. I think I'd try and get an AR. Then you could shoot .223, 22LR, 9mm, and a host of other calibers just by switching uppers.

Of course, I'm sure everyone else realizes that too and NFA AR lowers are probably a bit more expensive than an NFA 10/22.
 
I have to agree. For the same price as a Norrell 10/22, you can buy an M16. The parts for it are cheap, and you can have it in any caliber you choose.
 
"Full auto ARs" are M-16s or M-4s and a transferable gun will sell for $11,000 to $13,000, maybe a little more, depending on maker and exact model.

Ammo costs are huge when the rate of fire is 600-700 rpm and ammo is $200/k give or take.

It's also a lot easier to find someplace to blast a .22RF F/A than a centerfire F/A for some folks, especially if it's suppressed too.

I have a semi-auto, suppressed 10/22 and it's great - shoulda bought it 20 years ago. . . .

With sub-sonic long rifles, it is substantially quieter than both the RWS and the Beeman air rifles we have. Near-silent backyard (or even indoor) practice, near-silent sub-urban pest control, quiet hunting where safe and legal but close enough to populations to cause concern if heard. It cycles fine with sub-sonic, standard velocity and hi-velocity (not quiet) long rifles. I got a couple Volquartsen ".22 short" magazines and it will hand feed shorts, making it a ten shot bolt gun. With standard velocity shorts and CB caps, it's "Click . . . smack".

IMHO, starting from scratch, I'd get a good can, quietest one I could find that was rated for F/A .223 fire. A can like that can be used on anything .22 caliber, from a threaded barrel .22RF to .22 Hornet Contender barrel, to an AR-15 to an M-16 or bolt action .220 Swift . . . Supersonic loads will still "crack", but blast is contained and the whole signature significantly lessened.
 
Yup, that's why the M16s and drop in sears are so popular. You can configure them just about any way you like with brand new parts and you can use them in lots of different calibers. You simply get more bang for the same amount of buck.

Prices are sure to keep increasing and if I could do-over I'd have saved a few more $K and gotten a M16 registered receiver instead of a FNC sear gun.
 
I just bought my THIRD .22LR suppressor a week or two ago at the store Correia works at. You might say that I rather like .22 suppressors.
He must have seen me coming and ducked in the back room because he wasn't there.
 
I have handled, but not fired a 10/22 with an intergal suppressor. They are very light rifles to hold. I thought the balance was pretty good as well. Given the stocking options for bull barrel 10/22's, it is probably a good route to go.

Why waste a class 3 on a full auto 22? Wow some people have way too much money to blow.
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Shooting .22 LR ammo is cheap. Additionally, the minimal recoil and muzzle flip provided by a .22 would make it even more fun.
 
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