I shot a 69 the other day…

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and it wasn’t on the golf course.

I had a hankering for another DA .44 Special, one with a 4” barrel that would be decent for packing about. I’ve been getting spanked on GB while bidding on 624’s, so I decided to try for an L-frame 5-shot model 69 .44 Magnum. I ultimately won one and it was sent to my FFL for the 10-day purgatory before I could officially pick it up.

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I took it to the range with a couple of .44 Spl. loads: a 215 gr short-nose SWC over 6.9 gr Unique and a 200 gr RNFP over 7.2 gr Unique. I also brought one .44 Magnum load, a 240 gr Sierra JHP over 10.0 gr Unique. These have all been very accurate in my other guns, so I thought I’d give them a whirl.


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^ The very first 15 shots @10 yds. :)

The 215 gr swc were great, low recoil and printed 15 shots right in the bull at 10 yds. I thought I had a pic of the 200 gr RNFP but I think I deleted it. The 200 gr load did a very similar group of 15 at the same distance.

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I also brought my 4” N-frame Model 57 .41 Magnum to compare recoil with the smaller L frame. The .41 Magnum mid-range load had a 210 gr RNFP over 10.2 gr Unique. The first went low, the rest shot well. I also brought a .41 Special load in .41 Spl. Starline cases; a 215 gr SWC over 7.2 gr Unique. Both of these shot very well for me, the .41 Spl.( bottom target) was a real keeper. The first shot was a bit high then the rest were in a good place.

I shot other guns, the .44 Spl. GP ( had the squib in that one from the other thread), the Ruger Mk IV and my two CZ-75’s. At the end of shooting the fun guns I figured it was magnum time.

The .41 had a true magnum load; 210 gr JSP over 20.8 gr Enforcer. This one brings the mail in my 7.5” Redhawk and 6.5” Blackhawk, in the 4” Model 57 the muzzle blast and recoil were definitely up there. 12 of these went downrange to compare with the .44. (That was a weird tear in the target at 2 o’clock, it wasn’t a keyholed bullet.)

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The L-frame 69 actually kicked a lot less than I expected. 10.0 gr Unique under a 240 gr JHP isnt a top-end load by any means, but it was controllable and hit right where the lighter .44 Special loads did. :thumbup: (My last target had a funky wrinkle I couldn’t get out so I shot it as-is.) This was just 5 shots, after 10 more I stopped before I became Flinch Armstrong..

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As for the new gun:
The trigger on the 69 was heavier than I like, 11 lb DA and 4.5 lb SA, while the 57 is 8.5 lb DA and 2 lb 13 oz SA (5 pull avg.) I will be getting some Wolff springs and polish the rebound slide to lighten this up at some point.

The stainless was typical S&W; evenly matte with nothing polished shiny. I really must admit I like the black screws/hammer/trigger/cylinder release with the matte stainless finish. These set the parts off nicely, and make the black synthetic grip almost palatable to the eyes.

The grip is like a supersized version of the 317 grip, only this one has a little bit of give to it at the top where the web of my hand fits. I like it better under magnum recoil than the steel backstrap that peeks out of the Hogues on the 57.

The sights are S&W standbys; red ramp front and white outline rear. No adjustment was needed for any of the loads I fired to keep all shots in the blue. The two piece barrel had sights that were clocked perfectly (as to be expected) and the B/C gap was a nice .004 all around. Maybe because the grip was so small the gun felt a little bit nose-heavy. It kept recoil down, yet it was nowhere near as front heavy as a 6” 686. (I”m now kind of wishing S&W would make a 5” L-frame .357 686+ with no lug… you listening guys?)

The one design oddity that I wasn’t expecting was the change in the ejector rod. This one was solid rather than hollow with the plunger inside like all of my other S&W’s. It locked up as usual at the rear of the cylinder, but this one also locked at the side of the crane rather than at the front of the ejector rod under the barrel. It obviously works, but it was a surprise I wasn’t aware of until now. :thumbup:

Because I brought six guns to the indoor range, and I only had two hours free, I didn’t get to really shoot a lot through this gun. I put 20 cylinders (100 shots) through it; 85 Specials and 15 Magnums. From shot one it hit point-of-aim at 10 yards, Im glad I bought it. Now when I get a chance to shoot it outdoors, I’m going to push it further out to see what it does in my hands.:thumbup:

Stay safe.
 

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That is some good shooting and I'm glad you got a no problem gun.

(I”m now kind of wishing S&W would make a 5” L-frame .357 686+ with no lug… you listening guys?)
I wish the same thing, but I can't argue with the accuracy and ease of shooting of my 686-4.

I can't shoot as many rounds as you did and stay focused, I get tired before that many.

I can't sit and shoot because I have to look over my glasses to do that and then I can't see the sights. When standing, off hand I can look at where my bifocals start and see target and sights.
 
I also have a couple of model 69’s. The 4” one and the smaller 2.75” version. I like the smaller more carrying for obvious reasons. For me, it comes up to my eye quicker. But the 4” version I took a whitetail doe at 42 yards and down right there in a front shoulder shot. I used a 44 mag load of 11 grains of unique I believe that shot well from mine.

Enjoy yours. I should shoot mine more but like everything, time slips away somehow.
 
I've always wanted a M69 since they were introduced, but thought I would wait a few years to see how they rung out. Seems S&W got it right with that model. Now I can't find one. I did find a M29 Bounty Hunter w/ a 3" barrel. I like it with a 240 gr. SWC and a dose of IMR 4227.
I would still like to find a M69 like yours.
 
Good post Rio. I think you're really going to like the 69 as time passes. I've had two since they first came out. My #2 son conned me out of the first one and I bought a 2nd to replace it. Both were GTG out of the box, and like yours, had somewhat heavy triggers. Both were smooth, in SA & DA, as you'd expect from a good Smith, but the DA in particular was too heavy in DA. I haven't changed out the springs as yet but may do so in the future. The SA was as good as any of my older Smiths, but a tad heavier. Just guessing, it runs about 4.5 lbs...and that's a good/great pull weight for my purposes.

Brian Pearce commented in his Handloader article on the M-69, that he'd had leading problems with cast bullets in his example...but I've not found that to be true of my two, and for the most part, I shoot lead alloy almost exclusively. Jacketed bullets do fine as you'd expect and my throats mic at 0.432" for both guns. To date I've put a bit over 1000 rounds through the pair.

Here on our farm, I carry mine with +P level .44 special loads as a rule (~950 fps), but have done some work with magnums up to 1200 fps. Hornady's 200 & 240 gr XTP's are a good choice for either level, as are Missouri Bullet Co. LSWC's or Lyman's 429244gc, 429421, or 429215gc.

Skelton's famous load of 7.5 gr of Unique in .44 Special brass with any good 240 gr LSWC, does particularly well; averaging ~2" or less at 25 yds in my guns. For carry here, I usually pick a 200 gr XTP or a 220 gr LSWC GC with that same unique load. My chambers are well polished so I use Special brass as a rule, but bumping the charge to 8.5 gr of Unique will achieve the same ballistics in Magnum hulls.

The factory stocks sure are fugly but really help with recoil in my old hands...especially the web of my strong hand where arthritis has become a problem. I've tried Altamont's version of the old Roper target grips (Smith Coke Bottle type), but quickly gave up on them for all but powder puff target rounds (5.0 gr of Bullseye does well with the above lead alloy bullets).

All in all, it's a great modern Smith...and I'll admit, my two shot so well, I soon forgot about the #(&$) # internal lock and two piece bbl. At 38 oz. unloaded, a M-69 makes for a very powerful back country sidearm...one that I'd take along as a back if I was still packing out Colorado elk quarters high in the Spanish Peaks near Trinidad. For that duty I'd pick up or build a 'tanker' type of cross chest rig, suitable for use with a loaded pack board. It'd do well for back country fishing in bear country too.

Best Regards, Rod
 
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I like my M629, but I also like the idea of a smaller, lighter 44, and the M69 fits the bill. I just can't get used to the idea of the two-piece barrel, so I'm still "thinking about it". Posts like yours, Riomouse911 get me all perked up again.


This'll definitely help.
I will be getting some Wolff springs and polish the rebound slide to lighten this up at some point.



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This was just 5 shots, after 10 more I stopped before I became Flinch Armstrong..
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Enjoy! Great platform as a shooter and woods gun. Some 255 Grain Keith bullets 7.5 Grains of Unique at about 950 Fps in .44 Special should be about perfect for that revolver. Even the same bullet with 10 grains of Unique in Magnum Cases will do anything that needs to be done without getting hard to shoot.
 
I got mine in december. It had to go back to S&W because the hammer would push off in single action. Got it back now but need to change the front sight. Mine shoots 10 inches high at 30 yards with the rear sight bottomed out. I forgot to ask them to fix that when I sent it back.
 
Good post Rio. I think you're really going to like the 69 as time passes. I've had two since they first came out. My #2 son conned me out of the first one and I bought a 2nd to replace it. Both were GTG out of the box, and like yours, had somewhat heavy triggers. Both were smooth, in SA & DA, as you'd expect from a good Smith, but the DA in particular was too heavy in DA. I haven't changed out the springs as yet but may do so in the future. The SA was as good as any of my older Smiths, but a tad heavier. Just guessing, it runs about 4.5 lbs...and that's a good/great pull weight for my purposes.

Brian Pearce commented in his Handloader article on the M-69, that he'd had leading problems with cast bullets in his example...but I've not found that to be true of my two, and for the most part, I shoot lead alloy almost exclusively. Jacketed bullets do fine as you'd expect and my throats mic at 0.432" for both guns. To date I've put a bit over 1000 rounds through the pair.

Here on our farm, I carry mine with +P level .44 special loads as a rule (~950 fps), but have done some work with magnums up to 1200 fps. Hornady's 200 & 240 gr XTP's are a good choice for either level, as are Missouri Bullet Co. LSWC's or Lyman's 429244gc, 429421, or 429215gc.

Skelton's famous load of 7.5 gr of Unique in .44 Special brass with any good 240 gr LSWC, does particularly well; averaging ~2" or less at 25 yds in my guns. For carry here, I usually pick a 200 gr XTP or a 220 gr LSWC GC with that same unique load. My chambers are well polished so I use Special brass as a rule, but bumping the charge to 8.5 gr of Unique will achieve the same ballistics in Magnum hulls.

The factory stocks sure are fugly but really help with recoil in my old hands...especially the web of my strong hand where arthritis has become a problem. I've tried Altamont's version of the old Roper target grips (Smith Coke Bottle type), but quickly gave up on them for all but powder puff target rounds (5.0 gr of Bullseye does well with the above lead alloy bullets).

All in all, it's a great modern Smith...and I'll admit, my two shot so well, I soon forgot about the #(&$) # internal lock and two piece bbl. At 38 oz. unloaded, a M-69 makes for a very powerful back country sidearm...one that I'd take along as a back if I was still packing out Colorado elk quarters high in the Spanish Peaks near Trinidad. For that duty I'd pick up or build a 'tanker' type of cross chest rig, suitable for use with a loaded pack board. It'd do well for back country fishing in bear country too.

Best Regards, Rod
I hear you about the grips. . I love the look of wood grips, but anything more than a .357 in a square butt K frame S&W gets synthetics. My hands just don’t handle the pop anymore. :( I have a 3” GP 100 .44 Spl., but the weight vs barrel length makes it not my favorite woods-carry combo. I think this will supplant the GP now that I have it.

I got mine in december. It had to go back to S&W because the hammer would push off in single action. Got it back now but need to change the front sight. Mine shoots 10 inches high at 30 yards with the rear sight bottomed out. I forgot to ask them to fix that when I sent it back.
Bummer! Ive sent back four older Smiths and three older Rugers over the years for various issues. It sounds like yours got bad genes or something. I hope the mother ship back in Springfield fixed the internal issue, and soon you can get that POI dialed in. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
 
I enjoy my M69.
My favorite plinking and practice load is a 200gr Lee RFN over 5.5gr of HP38 in a .44 spl case. It’s VERY accurate. I size.431” to match throats.

My “heavy” load is a Lyman ‘70’s vintage #429421 Keith SWC @255gr. Over 19.8gr of #2400.
It’s a hand full! But also accurate.
Mine wears the same Pachmayr Gripper Professional grips I wore on my duty revolvers circa 1983-1996 when my agency transitioned to G22’s.
I do miss that 6th shot, though...
 
I've got the 2.75" version. Quite accurate with 44 mag hulls loaded with 44 spcl loads. Haven't shot it since getting cataract opns. Good size for carry.

Would look for the 4" version, but I think my gun buying is winding down.
 
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