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I just heard a story on our local news about a shooting in Pueblo tonight the story ( details are sketchy) is that the shooter claims to have been cleaning his weapon when it " went off" and shot his freind.

Who in THE HELL cleans a loade weapon?
 
$---t happens. I'm sure there's more to the story.:rolleyes:
I've spent 20 years in LE, and investigated countless "accidential discharges". Much of the time it was found to be intentional. Additionally, alcohol or drugs were involved in many of the cases, including boyfriend/girlfriend disputes involving a third party. The three B's will always do you in, booze, bucks and broads. The last component is the weapon.
 
A lot of guns being "cleaned" or "unloaded" guns have been used to kill people, both accidentally and intentionally. Those seem to be default excuses.
Anyway, this one year I was cleaning my gun when it "went off" and dropped a nice 8 point buck :neener:
 
Sounds entirely possible to me. I mean it could have easily been done on purpose, but gun cleaning accidents happen to dumb people all the time.

I know a guy that knows a guy that was cleaning his .45 and it fired, went into his thigh and came out, went into his calf, and went out. He managed pretty well all things considered.
 
This the story?

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_9569368

Iraq war vet accidently shot, killed by friend
By Joey Bunch
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 06/12/2008 09:06:16 PM MDT

An Iraq war veteran just discharged from the Army was shot and killed by a friend who was cleaning his gun Wednesday night in Pueblo, police said.

Richard Medina, 21, of Pueblo died from his head wound, said Sgt. Gary Vannelli of the Pueblo Police Department.

The shooting is being investigated as an accident. Medina's friend, Antonio Alvarado, 28, had been cleaning the gun when it accidentally fired, a witness told police.

Alvarado is a soldier at Fort Carson, where Medina previously had been stationed.

The shooting happened at about 10 p.m. at Alvarado's home in the 3200 block of West 18th Street.
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Edit: Some other links...

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16592613/detail.html

http://www.kktv.com/military/headlines/19820414.html
 
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Every week or so we hear of some moron who was supposedly "cleaning my gun when it went off."

I've come to the conclusion that these people weren't ACTUALLY in the act of cleaning. They were STARTING to clean their guns when they PULLED THE TRIGGER without realizing it, because they were too stupid to check the chamber. Maybe they were POLISHING the exterior when they forgot that the trigger thingy causes boom to happen.
 
My older friends who used a 1911 in military service remember they used to place a barrel half filled with sand by the doors of any area where weapons had to be unloaded. The user would place the pistol over the edge of the barrel, and if there was an AD, the bullet would penetrate the sand.

Each one laughed about the numerous bullet holes in these barrels.

The old locker room of the Madison Police Department had scores of bullet holes in the lockers and woodwork. One AD went through a door and out into the hallway. No one was hit, but the pucker factor...

And of course, our former Police Chief baked his Glock in an oven.
 
Couple months ago, we went to a "shot while cleaning call."

Problem was, he was wearing boxers and an under shirt....and his cowboy action rig. Bullet (45lc if memory is correct) entered his thigh just south of his holster, and exited the other side. No major damage to any vital parts.

The best part was that when we went inside his house to get his ID, some old western was on tv.
 
Do they train these veterans how to clean a firearm safely? This isn't the first time I've seen this happen to veterans/cops. Is there something in the water that government gives it's employees? I wonder if they think they're invincible because they are trained to THINK they are invincible (government = "the authorities").

Couple months ago, we went to a "shot while cleaning call."

Problem was, he was wearing boxers and an under shirt....and his cowboy action rig. Bullet (45lc if memory is correct) entered his thigh just south of his holster, and exited the other side. No major damage to any vital parts.

The best part was that when we went inside his house to get his ID, some old western was on tv.
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When I see stories that go along the lines of "person killed(or wounded) while cleaning the gun", my mind automatically thinks "suicide attempt."
 
When I see stories that go along the lines of "person killed(or wounded) while cleaning the gun", my mind automatically thinks "suicide attempt."
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I'd say that accounts for more than a few, as the person is alive, and embarrassed or scared of getting locked up, after the attempt fails, so they make up the cleaning story.

Sadly, I think the VAST majority are just stupid people who didnt verify the gun was unloaded first, or didnt think they needed to unload it, or screwed up trying to unload it, and had an ND. Unfortunately, the world is FILLED with people who are stupid, careless, lazy,etc.
 
Part of the problem stems from the need to pull the trigger on a Glock to separate upper and lower receivers.
 
"I know a guy that knows a guy that was cleaning his .45 and it fired, went into his thigh and came out, went into his calf, and went out. He managed pretty well all things considered."

MY SISTERS BEST FRIENDS SECOND COUSIN ON THEIR MOTHERS SIDE HAS AN EX-BOYFRIEND THAT KNEW A GUY WHOSE FRIEND JUST GOT OUT OF PRISON.. What was the question again......LOL
 
Laxed awareness due to familiarity causes many of the ND's committed by people that are familiar with guns. They've disassembled a Glock or their favorite hunting rifle a hundred times, so they don't really pay attention to what's going on when they do it.

Then there are the incidents where someone is fairly new and isn't familiar with the gun and it's design. Asking the right question as a buyer, or the sales-person taking a minute to show them how to clear and strip, could save a life.

But an Iraq war vet gets nailed, in the head, while his buddy is cleaning a gun? One in ten-thousand shot. Sounds suspicious to me. I'll leave it to the cops, as I'm sure they have thought the same thing.

Drop mag, rack slide, remove ammo from work area. Then disassemble. Be safe.
 
I offer my condolences to the family and friends of both the shooter and the shootee...

And I should mention that the men and women of Fort Carson in Colorado Springs have born much of the brunt of the Iraqi war and have suffered accordingly...

This event is a tragedy of the worst kind and, in the absence of specific information that suggests otherwise, I'll accept the offered reason with a heavy heart for those affected by this event.

Forrest
 
My prayers go out to the family. Shouldn't this war vet had informed his friend to unload his weapon before cleaning? Wouldn't that be a logical thing to do, with all the training he has had.
 
Part of the problem stems from the need to pull the trigger on a Glock to separate upper and lower receivers.
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Otherwise it's ok to clean a gun without checking the chamber and a live round in place? I think the problem stems more from lazyness or complacency.
 
And I should mention that the men and women of Fort Carson in Colorado Springs have born much of the brunt of the Iraqi war and have suffered accordingly...
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I was just thinking... guy survives a deployment only to be capped in the head at his buddies house, by ACCIDENT.

Man o' man. Cosmic forces. :uhoh:


-T.
 
Part of the problem stems from the need to pull the trigger on a Glock to separate upper and lower receivers.
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How is this part of the problem? Isn't the first thing you do when taking down your gun to drop the mag and lock the slide back? And if not, why not?
 
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