I STILL love my new Freedom Arms .357!:)

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.308 Norma

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I’ve posted in other threads about the Freedom Arms .357 Magnum I’ve been anxiously awaiting to get out of lay-away. Well, I got it out, it’s a Premier Grade with a custom, rounded butt, imitation ivory grips and a 4.25” barrel. It’s beautiful, more accurate than I can use, smooth, solid, balances perfectly, and I’m a little disappointed.

After putting six rounds through it, I ejected the empties and tried to reload. That’s when I found out that the front driving bands on my favorite, Keith style, 168 grain SWCs wouldn’t go past the “crud rings” left in the cylinder chambers by the first 6 rounds I fired. It was almost like trying to shove .357 rounds in a .357 cylinder that had just been used to fire a bunch of .38 Specials without cleaning the crud rings out of the cylinder first.

I called Freedom Arms and told them about my problem. They were nice enough, and I can’t say they weren’t helpful. They told me they’d open up my revolver’s cylinder throats a bit if I want them to, but my revolver might not be as accurate afterwards. They also told to measure the diameters of the front driving bands of some of the commercially cast Keith SWCs (which are supposed to be .358”) to see if they are out of round. I did, and out of the 20 bullet’s front driving bands I measured, none were out of round, and they all measured .358” plus or minus a couple of ten thousandths of an inch.

Anyway, long story short – I’m left with a choice. I can either take the revolver over to Freedom Arms (they’re only about an hour’s drive from here) and have them ream its cylinder throats, or I can switch to a different type of cast bullet. Rimrock Bullets out of Poison, Montana sent me some cast, 170gr, GC-RNFPs that are .358” alright, but the part that sticks out above the case is only .357”, and they go in my revolver’s cylinder just fine, even when it’s dirty.

So, I’m asking for opinions. What would you folks do? Have the cylinder throats reamed, or just switch bullets? Please keep in mind that I really like cast lead bullets in revolvers. Before I became so lazy, I used to cast, size and lube them myself.

BTW – I measured my Freedoms Arms revolvers cylinder throats – as close as I can tell, they’re exactly .358”. The slightest bit of crud in the cylinder throats prevents .358” diameter bullets from being inserted all the way.
 
Personally, I'd switch bullets. There are an abundance of .357 boolits, and there's no guarantee reaming the throats would fix the problem - and if it did, your beautiful FA is now a "Keith 168 SWC gun". A .357mag ought to be more versatile than that, IMO.

Slug the barrel. The throats should be sightly larger than the barrel.

Wouldn't be a bad idea to also slug the throats, in the unlikely event they're actually undersized and are in legitimate need of reaming.
 
.308 Norma

I would take the path of least resistance and change bullets. If this works and you've can still achieve the accuracy that you want with the new bullets then you should be good to go.
 
Wouldn't be a bad idea to also slug the throats, in the unlikely event they're actually undersized and are in legitimate need of reaming.
Yes sir, because I don't have any pin gauges, "slugging" the throats is how I determined they actually are .358" in diameter.
I would take the path of least resistance and change bullets. If this works and you've can still achieve the accuracy that you want with the new bullets then you should be good to go
I'm leaning heavily that way. As MrBorland said too, I don't want to turn my new FA into a just a "Keith 168 SWC gun."
I'm still going to take my revolver over to Freedom Arms and have them take a look at it, and a few of my dummy handloads. But I probably won't have them change anything.
As I said, Freedom, Wyoming (the home of Freedom Arms) is only about a hour from here. It will be a nice drive anyway, and maybe I can wrangle out a tour of the facility.
Thanks folks.:)
 
Personally, I'd switch bullets. There are an abundance of .357 boolits, and there's no guarantee reaming the throats would fix the problem - and if it did, your beautiful FA is now a "Keith 168 SWC gun". A .357mag ought to be more versatile than that, IMO.

+1

By the way, I know that this isn't the point of the thread, but where are the pictures?
 
Or, you could have FA make a cylinder for the bullets you are using, and have the original one for everything else. I know, it would cost about as much as a new Blackhawk!
And, if I remember correctly, they recommend not using 38 SPL in the MGN cylinder. Not sure why.
They want you to buy a separate cylinder for 38 SPL.

Best,
Rick
 
I echo those suggesting different bullets if that will solve the problem. I hate sending off (or driving in your case) a brand new gun for warranty work. Both of my recently acquired LCR 327s have had to go back to Ruger. It's a major letdown to be jazzed about a new purchase only to have it be gone for several weeks. When I only owned a few guns it was downright infuriating.

It's a topic for another thread, but there's been a significant downturn in QC from some of the major players over the last 5 years, at least in my experience.

Best of luck to you on your FA. And I also echo others in demanding a picture!
 
I have two .41 Magnums, an 83 and 97, that will do the same thing with LBT or Keith style bullets that have too wide a full diameter driving band ahead of the crimping groove. Sizing the bullets .409 instead of .410 solved most of the problem. Zero difference in accuracy.

If you look in Keith's book SIXGUNS you will see he crimped some of his .357 rounds over the front driving band to be able to use in the short cylinder of the Model 27.

Personally I would not open up the cylinder throats...

Bob
 
.308 Norma, have you slugged the bore? Is so, what is the groove diameter?

Yeah, I finally got around to slugging my FA’s barrel. It’s .357” groove to groove.

Out of curiosity, I also went ahead and slugged the barrel of an old Ruger Security Six I’ve had forever. It too is .357” groove to groove. However, I was unable slug the Ruger’s cylinder throats because the .358” lead bullets I used for “slugs” simply fell through the Ruger’s cylinder holes. I estimate the Ruger’s throats are at least .359”, maybe a little larger.

I also noted the FA’s barrel has 6 lands and 6 grooves, while the Ruger only has 5 of each. It appears like the FA’s barrel has a faster twist too. I wouldn’t know know whether or not either thing makes much difference, but I found it interesting.:)
 
And, if I remember correctly, they recommend not using 38 SPL in the MGN cylinder. Not sure why.
They want you to buy a separate cylinder for 38 SPL.
It seems like I've heard the same thing about shooting 45 Colts in a FA 454 Casull cylinder - that is, FAs recommends against it.:)
 
I would go with the Rimrock bullets or another cast maker rather than reaming
Yes sir, that's what I've decided to do. That's what the guy in our favorite gunshop, the one that sold me the gun, suggested too. So I'll be ordering as many GG-170gr RNFP bullets as will ship in a flat-rate box from Rimrock Bullets later on this evening. We're still going over to Freedom Arms for a visit one of these days.
Thanks for all your help and suggestions everyone.:)
 
FA is one heck of a nice revolver. Don't pay that much for it and then start changing it! Either find a boolit that works or go back to casting!
I would lovey FA too--- if I had one:(
 
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I have two .41 Magnums, an 83 and 97, that will do the same thing with LBT or Keith style bullets that have too wide a full diameter driving band ahead of the crimping groove. Sizing the bullets .409 instead of .410 solved most of the problem. Zero difference in accuracy.

If you look in Keith's book SIXGUNS you will see he crimped some of his .357 rounds over the front driving band to be able to use in the short cylinder of the Model 27.

Personally I would not open up the cylinder throats...

Bob

Beat me to it. I have the same issues with my .44 and .45 Colt M-83's. One has to be careful on the Keith style slugs.

It's been that way with the #358429 in ALL of the shorter cylinder .357's that S&W built, 19's, 66's. There the issue is LENGTH. But in a few .357's over the years I've had the same issue You are having. A shame too, as that is a great bullet.

I'd try the old #358156 Thompson design. There are a bunch of shorter SWC's out there. Not True Keith design's but workable.

What about simply using the 168's in .357 mag cases shortened .01" ?? THAT would open a whole can of worms though keeping them segregated for only the FA. Just Spitballing here.

A M-97 I assume?
 
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